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Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Is cost what prevents more things from being packaged in aluminum?

Aluminum isn’t transparent and can’t handle certain chemicals, but it’s not that expensive—if it’s recycled consistently.

It’s routinely replaced by steel for, say, cans because that ends up being cheaper (with thinner walls), but steel is also cheaply and effectively recycled. It also often has a thin plastic layer when holding acids (like Coca-Cola), so it’s not a complete replacement.

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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One of the big problems with plastic recycling is that people read "plastic recycling is a scam" but internalize "recycling is a scam". Some types of recycling are massively successful and efficient, like the recycling of vehicle lead acid batteries or post industrial steel recycling.

Or aluminum recycling, crazy efficient compared to making new aluminum.

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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thinking about how this works, it just astounds me how clever and creative it is from the industry standpoint. capture a word, then redefine it to conform to an existing effort.

Modern recycling transfers plastic waste away from capitalisms best consumers (the west) and burdens it upon its least visible (the third world.) Its like a black hole for all the immediate problems of the indelible hell you've created. in electronics recycling has an added bonus for elites as it generates scavenging jobs for children and adults alike, further cementing their class status through subsistence poverty.

the cult of recycling will continue just as long it continues to ensure plastic detritus doesnt impinge upon elites, and this is evidenced by things like plastic bag bans which exist predominantly in affluent western cities. Once no one wanted to "recycle" the bags anymore, (or consumers couldnt be counted on to behave properly and accept "recycling") the bags were just banned or taxed.

perhaps the most damning impact to recycling in the 21st century has been Chinas realization that it is a garbage shipping scheme and promptly banning waste import from the west. That certainly sent "recyclers" scrambling for a new "partner" for a time.

the only way to stop "recycling" is to do something akin to that which Germany does: emburden the capitalist with their waste and allow shoppers to return the various detritus directly to them. we do this to a limited extent in the USA, forcing electronics stores and auto repair shops to accept waste oils, batteries, and electronics, but it pales in contrast to what some european countries force their profiteers to acquiesce.

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Is there no value in merely separating and gathering this material, even if it's all dumped in a "plastics only" landfill, as opposed to one containing other types of trash?

Isn't keeping different types of waste sorted inherently useful in other ways?

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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post #3

I dread what other obsessive compulsive framework will replace it once it's gone to keep the consumer self inquisition busy. I vote for it staying.. The horror you know..

You can very easily define symbols that match what is on collection boxes. That’s not difficult: the current standard is a series of numbers with three chasing arrows. Obviously, you want to challenge the arrows because they were intentionally picked to look like the recycling logo, but if you need a complex system (and we don’t) numbers are fine.

A better system is to consign containers and have the collection machine do the sorting.

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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If it's thrown in a landfill then that defaults into letting it decompose in some unknown way for thousands of years. If it's stored and we find a way to break down or reuse plastic, it's still around.

We do need to cut down on everything "disposable" though. The planet cycles are circles not lines, there is no "away", what you mistreat will come back to hurt you later, line cannot go up forever, no infinite growth on a finite planet. These are lessons the smartest guys in the room refuse to learn because their ego has convinced them that human ingenuity is superior to every single problem that human ingenuity causes.

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Recycling is an industry psyop to convince the public that plastic can be consumed ethically and sustainably. Unless we ban disposable plastics altogether, the problem will only get worse. Plastic has only been around for 100 years; imagine just how bad things will be in 500.

It's mind boggling to ponder a world without any plastic products though, isn't it? I work in ag irrigation, and the degree to which plastic has taken over irrigation implements in the last 20+ years is mind boggling. I sometimes wonder what it would mean for our company and industry in general if plastic suddenly became toxic.

If plastic becomes toxic, it won't _become toxic_, it will become recognized as toxic, which would mean that it's toxic right now, and while that's true for some plastics, it doesn't seem to be true for the majority of food-safe plastics in use.

I think it's more likely that there's some kind of subtle effect from the introduction of microplastics into the ecosystem that we haven't identified yet, but as of right now, there's no conclusive evidence that I'm aware of that microplastics are toxic, only that sufficient accumulation of them can impair biological function, just the same as any contaminant would.

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