Plastic recycling isn't the only kind of recycling...
Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
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Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#12Is cost what prevents more things from being packaged in aluminum?
It’s routinely replaced by steel for, say, cans because that ends up being cheaper (with thinner walls), but steel is also cheaply and effectively recycled. It also often has a thin plastic layer when holding acids (like Coca-Cola), so it’s not a complete replacement.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#13One of the big problems with plastic recycling is that people read "plastic recycling is a scam" but internalize "recycling is a scam". Some types of recycling are massively successful and efficient, like the recycling of vehicle lead acid batteries or post industrial steel recycling.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#14Modern recycling transfers plastic waste away from capitalisms best consumers (the west) and burdens it upon its least visible (the third world.) Its like a black hole for all the immediate problems of the indelible hell you've created. in electronics recycling has an added bonus for elites as it generates scavenging jobs for children and adults alike, further cementing their class status through subsistence poverty.
the cult of recycling will continue just as long it continues to ensure plastic detritus doesnt impinge upon elites, and this is evidenced by things like plastic bag bans which exist predominantly in affluent western cities. Once no one wanted to "recycle" the bags anymore, (or consumers couldnt be counted on to behave properly and accept "recycling") the bags were just banned or taxed.
perhaps the most damning impact to recycling in the 21st century has been Chinas realization that it is a garbage shipping scheme and promptly banning waste import from the west. That certainly sent "recyclers" scrambling for a new "partner" for a time.
the only way to stop "recycling" is to do something akin to that which Germany does: emburden the capitalist with their waste and allow shoppers to return the various detritus directly to them. we do this to a limited extent in the USA, forcing electronics stores and auto repair shops to accept waste oils, batteries, and electronics, but it pales in contrast to what some european countries force their profiteers to acquiesce.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#15Isn't keeping different types of waste sorted inherently useful in other ways?
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#16I dread what other obsessive compulsive framework will replace it once it's gone to keep the consumer self inquisition busy. I vote for it staying.. The horror you know..
A better system is to consign containers and have the collection machine do the sorting.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#17We do need to cut down on everything "disposable" though. The planet cycles are circles not lines, there is no "away", what you mistreat will come back to hurt you later, line cannot go up forever, no infinite growth on a finite planet. These are lessons the smartest guys in the room refuse to learn because their ego has convinced them that human ingenuity is superior to every single problem that human ingenuity causes.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#18Recycling is an industry psyop to convince the public that plastic can be consumed ethically and sustainably. Unless we ban disposable plastics altogether, the problem will only get worse. Plastic has only been around for 100 years; imagine just how bad things will be in 500.
It's mind boggling to ponder a world without any plastic products though, isn't it? I work in ag irrigation, and the degree to which plastic has taken over irrigation implements in the last 20+ years is mind boggling. I sometimes wonder what it would mean for our company and industry in general if plastic suddenly became toxic.
I think it's more likely that there's some kind of subtle effect from the introduction of microplastics into the ecosystem that we haven't identified yet, but as of right now, there's no conclusive evidence that I'm aware of that microplastics are toxic, only that sufficient accumulation of them can impair biological function, just the same as any contaminant would.
Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?
#19Plastic recycling isn't the only kind of recycling...