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Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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If you own the car, why wouldn't you be able to attach something to both of the CAN busses from the interior?

How easy is it to find a CAN wire in a car?

In every car I owned so far the can bus was just behind a removable panel near the steering wheel.

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If someone is stealing cars at 12 or 13 years old, they're already well on their way down the path towards irredeemability. Society has to do something or they will turn into a lifelong criminal. A multi-year prison sentence is probably not going to help them, but counseling, a better home and school environment, food in the belly, and so on might. You have to do something besides "catch and release" which has been t…

Do you know about the endemic of illiteracy in the US right now? More likely than not that child can't even read above a 2nd grade level. We could have real rehabilitation centers focused on educating the kids, treating them like human beings with respect, and show them how to live life well. Or we could put them in kid-jail and be put at a higher risk for all sorts of violence and abuse just to punish them. As long…

For profit prisons are the minority of all prisons.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Haha similar story. I used to deliver pizzas and worked with a pretty rough crowd. Once I locked my car while it was running and had a bunch of deliveries. One of the cooks unlocked it in about five seconds.

I have a similar story! Locked out of my car. Bikers park next to me. "You locked out? Hang on a moment" Goes into a Subway, comes back with a coat hanger. Less than a minute later the car is unlocked. "Wow you're pretty good at that" "I literally just got out of prison today... for car theft." Laughter all around

Who knew there were so many Good Samaritan car thieves out there, huh? I guess everyone enjoys a chance to show off their skill set a little!

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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I'm very surprised to see that the ignition control is on the slow speed can bus...

What part of starting a car is fast compared to the canbus? Speed is relative

There are usually two can buses a car, a slow one and a fast one. The slow one controls the lights, infotaiment, climate, etc, while the fast one controls the ECU, driver assist, all related to driving.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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I said our society is driven by greed. And it's led by greed. That's a failure of leadership.

> I said our society is driven by greed. I agree you said that. I disagree that it's true. If I go to my kid's football kickabout, run mostly by volunteer parents, or I attend a local street party, or go for a pub quiz night, or any of many societal endeavours, I don't see greed.

Sounds like you’re not American. We’re describing the US as the extreme anarcho-capitalist wasteland it is

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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> I said our society is driven by greed. I agree you said that. I disagree that it's true. If I go to my kid's football kickabout, run mostly by volunteer parents, or I attend a local street party, or go for a pub quiz night, or any of many societal endeavours, I don't see greed.

Sounds like you’re not American. We’re describing the US as the extreme anarcho-capitalist wasteland it is

> the extreme anarcho-capitalist wasteland it is

As of 2019, the US had 50 million immigrants[0] living there, either 1st or 2nd generation. Far more than any other country. Are those immigrants really all just idiots for moving there?

If you think the US is a wasteland, it sounds like you're American.

[0] https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/...

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Swiss Army Knife does not provide any functionality that can't be provided by any other basic household object - neither can a hammer. The function of a hammer does not extend past 'hit thing' or 'pull nail', Obviously this kind of function can't be controlled in its application as people can swing their arms however they feel which makes any sort of restriction on hammers redundant given their utility. Flipper Zero…

Ok, you are making several assumptions here, so let me address them one by one: > Swiss Army Knife does not provide any functionality that can't be provided by any other basic household object That is true, but you don’t go around carrying all these individual tools in your pocket, do you? That’s the whole point of it, portability. The same goes for the flipper zero, you have a bunch of useful tools that you can buy…

"Who says that? Anything can be a useful utility in the right time and in the right hands for a specific purpose. Maybe one tool is useless to you, while useful to another. Some people might use it to store hundreds of keyfobs, so instead of carrying all the hardware for each, they can use one device instead. Others might use it to control their home devices, either the IR remotes, or other smart devices, and instead of having 15 remotes (I personally do), they can use one device. Some other person might use it to monitor their TPMS in the tires, others to monitor a serial GPIO port, and so on. All these are not only legal, but you can perform all the individual tasks with a “collection” of tools, like reading the serial GPIO, you can buy a dongle for $10, IR remote? You can use some android devices, etc. However, with flipper zero, it’s all-in-one."

Sure, you can make that point, but No Reasonable Person would accept it, which is where I draw the line.

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That anecdote is a non sequitur, but nonetheless: I assume you didn't see the full video, where it turned out that the police assaulted the "illegals" unprovoked? https://www.thecity.nyc/2024/02/08/times-square-migrants-arr... That Fox News article is mostly information-free, but my takeaway is that it's blaming "bail reform" for the release of the people the police assaulted, which is abjectly false: they were charg…

And here is another 1 just days later: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ice-confirms-georgia-studen...

NYC released this illegal from Venezuela before ICE could intervene. He just killed a woman in Georgia.

He was arrested for “acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation.” He was driving in a car without a license with some 5 year old. Then released so ICE couldnt get him per sanctuary city policy.

> When ICE learns that what it believes to be a removable illegal immigrant has been arrested on criminal charges, the agency will normally lodge a detainer – a request asking local law enforcement to keep the suspect in custody until they can be transferred to ICE and put into deportation proceedings.

> In this case, however, ICE's statement says Ibarra was released before a detainer could be issued. NYC is also a "sanctuary city" which generally restricts law enforcement from complying with ICE detainers.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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It cuts way down on the amount and expense of wiring, copper is expensive. It makes it easier to pocket some more profit.

just wait until wireless CAN comes around

I can see fiberoptics, but wireless just wouldn't be reliable. There are too many sources of noise in a car, plus rush hour traffic with dozens (hundreds?) of cars nearby broadcasting on similar frequencies.
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