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Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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From the article: "And I think the only way to move forward in this is to galvanize it as one voice, not only in Hollywood and in this industry, but also in Congress." Assume AI does pan out and widespread change is soon upon us, making a very significant percentage of labor unemployable. So one solution widely touted is universal basic income. Is that even possible? The US government prints money and then collects s…

Yes, but there is a line of people and corporations wanting government money. Right now, the top of those groups include Intel[1], because they feel they did not quite get enough to re-shore. It annoys me, because I recognize it has to be done ( moving fabs to US ), but it does seem very.. opportunistic.

[1]https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-is-asking-for-an-additional-do...

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It’ll take some time for sofa tech to be production ready.

Big difference between getting it to generate a plausible snowy Tokyo scene vs actually controlling the detail and style on a manner that is consistent and controllable.

No point in having a movie where every perspective and angle has a slightly different style

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For someone not from the USA, what's a culture war movie? Are you talking about America being the good guy in all the movies? Or the thing where there are more black and gay characters now and conservative people don't like it?

More importantly though - why would AI change the prevalent ideology in movies? Won't the same people who already make movies keep making them, just using AI?

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For someone not from the USA, what's a culture war movie? Are you talking about America being the good guy in all the movies? Or the thing where there are more black and gay characters now and conservative people don't like it? More importantly though - why would AI change the prevalent ideology in movies? Won't the same people who already make movies keep making them, just using AI?

“Culture War” is a dog whistle for any movie that includes women, gays, or blacks. Notice the comment you’re replying to was written by a throwaway account.

There is no culture war in America. There is only a group of people who feel threatened by the existence of content that isn’t targeted squarely at them. There is only a group of people who are terrified that, if they aren’t the majority voice in absolutely everything, they will end up being treated how they treat out-group members.

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It’ll take some time for sofa tech to be production ready. Big difference between getting it to generate a plausible snowy Tokyo scene vs actually controlling the detail and style on a manner that is consistent and controllable. No point in having a movie where every perspective and angle has a slightly different style

Sure but an $800M investment is supposed to pay off over 10-20 years. It seems like the industry will change in more like 1-2.

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First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. It would be like regulating the camera because it put portrait artists out of work, or steam drills because it puts tunnel diggers. Art improved dramatically in a short period of time with the advent of the camera, became reflective of what the camera couldn’t do - reflect the nature of humanity back to us. Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know…

>Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know the raw experience is difficult to control to a specific visual outcome. Fine tuning, in painting, image to image, control nets, all these things help. But it’s easy to make something stunning, but difficult to make your vision come out from the machine. It’s a tool, like any other. It’ll require rethinking what’s better to do with generative ai and what’s better to shoot directly. But direction, cinematography, and acting are about extreme control to achieve a specific outcome. Generative AI doesn’t help that. However what I’ve seen it really do well is take imagery and add detail and nuance, interpolate scenes, and other feats that will likely make post production much more powerful, requiring fewer reshoots, etc. Creating CGI will be simpler, especially bootstrapping, and l will bet it’ll be extremely heavily used preproduction to create visual story boarding.

The problem is not that there will be 0 humans needed. The problem is that something that used to take 100 people, might be done with 5. And that 95 is still creative jobs, jobs that require education, skill, grit.

You make a living either by hunting and gathering, or creating value for others and exchanging that value for things you need through a generic value token of money. The bar for being able to generate value that can sustain you (let alone a family) was already increasing day by day. But with the sudden spike of generative AI, the bar shot up faster than any time in known human history. With things as they stand right now, the amount of education and experience you need to generate value for others is going off the charts. It will be unfathomable in a few years. Yes, humans will be needed, but not as many to provide what we need. Yet those people will not simply stop existing. What is in the cards for them? That is the problem.

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What happened to the quality of journalism once it went online? When news media had to compete against bloggers and social media. It went into the toilet. What happened to the quality of video games once game frameworks became easily available? The market got flooded with low-effort garbage. Youtube and Tiktok and other social media platforms make global video distribution easy, but most of it is uninteresting and un…

This was already the case for human made art before? The vast vast majority of 'art' online, including youtube videos, wasn't even worth spending a few seconds looking at in 2021. So we go from 98% not worth looking at to 99.9% not worth looking at, or whatever the figure is.

Most of what is made is not that good. For every shawshank redemption we have 20 'leonard part 6' movies or worse. People just do not realize how much content there is out there in the big budget space. In the low budget space that ratio is even worse. Most of it is not good. We are going to see the volume of low effort items cranked to 11.

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And those tasks will emphasize the creative in the future. At one time a human computer made a ton of money. However they’re a novelty today. Mathematics and computer science are a much more creative endeavor using mechanical computers than someone who could tabulate large numbers rapidly in their head. I do think rote learning is about to seriously take a step back in the world and the future won’t reward the abilit…

We will have to agree to disagree. The real world is about solving actual problems, not solving arbitrary “creative” tasks. And even if it were, go look at salaries in “creative” professions vs engineering.

"Actual problems" like crypto scams, NFTs, and both mainstream and "new" manipulations of value tokens that don't even exist? Or an industry like health insurance, which doesn't even need to exist?

As for salaries - you can be a hopelessly mediocre engineer, doctor, lawyer, etc, and still earn good money. You can even be a bad professional who is actively incompetent and still earn good money.

The fact that salaries can be hyped so they don't accurately reflect social value is a symptom of the problem, not an explanation for it.

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