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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by rsynnott »

cal85 wrote: post #255
hackernewds wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you implying they swapped to catering to gen Z? why didn't that continue to work, when it did will millennials at that age

My sense is fewer Zoomers are interested in the grimy/underworld/rave vibe compared to Millennials and Gen X. It’s all the same to them. My theory is that when Millennials were growing up there was still a strong ‘default culture’ that helped sustain a thriving counter-culture. One could move decisively between the two when bored/frazzled. Zoomers have grown up flailing around in a devolved soup of ideas. Everything’…

I would just like to point out that members/former of every counterculture back to at least the 50s have said this about the younger generation; it’s almost a cliche.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #350

I'm currently diving into some fairly fringe and very dead tech so my perspective is a bit skewed but I seem to be relying on the wayback machine an absolutely absurd amount lately.

Because the internet has started dying.

Everyone though it would take at least some time before AI generated content kind of started stifling the internet, making it hard to find things, hard to figure out what is real. But, its already ramped up.

I at least thought it would be a few more months and more focused on election. But at least me, I seem to see its impact in every YouTube video, generated content is appearing everywhere already.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by Geisterde »

kome wrote: post #168
happytiger wrote: post #27

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Once. In 1983. And management theory has been forever trying to do it again.

hmm, what?

I think this is a thing in certain industries. Game development for instance; I feel like the more money a publisher has, the worse the result, and I would argue that one of the factors is an increase in corporate types. There hasnt been so much the implosion of those companies yet, but id wager in the next 5-10 years they will have to majorly trim down or perish.

The corporate influence is too constricting for creative works. I imagine there are many businesses where MBAs make sense, and that any large company needs them.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by User23 »

naet wrote: post #49
Scoundreller wrote: post #32

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> It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway I 100% don't get it when websites with lots of content and good SEO just delete everything. Fatwallet (fuck you Rakuten). Yahoo Answers (hey, I didn't say good content). Even on my own Drupal blogs that I didn't want to maintain/update anymore, I did a giant curl job, recursively regex'd out the login/comment submission fields and dumped them on…

I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

This is an interesting way of saying that contemporary web “best practices” are a giant waste of money.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by shortformblog »

natmaka wrote: post #347
shortformblog wrote: post #342

This is my toot. I’d like to point out I have written a lot of content for Motherboard over the years about the importance of digital preservation. While the story is still online (hopefully it stays there), I’d like to point out this piece in particular: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qvg5z3/what-if-we-treated-we... Also posted at Tedium: https://tedium.co/2019/10/17/historic-websites-preservation/ Too many good we…

Did you check if Archive.org archived all your pieces, and everything you like? See: https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.vice.com/en/articl...

I spent 2+ hours backing up as much as I could. Most of my pieces were syndication from my newsletter, but I had a number of originals, at least two that I spent 3+ months on.

I'm going to repost them on my site if the archive goes down.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by egeozcan »

shp0ngle wrote: post #355

Looking at their YouTube, their recent videos don't have exactly low view count, but also not as high as I would expect, given how costly they must be https://youtube.com/@VICE I guess they were really a product of a different time.

Their youtube really needs to be archived. It'd be a shame if they deleted all that content.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by btbuildem »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #352
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #350

I'm currently diving into some fairly fringe and very dead tech so my perspective is a bit skewed but I seem to be relying on the wayback machine an absolutely absurd amount lately.

Because the internet has started dying. Everyone though it would take at least some time before AI generated content kind of started stifling the internet, making it hard to find things, hard to figure out what is real. But, its already ramped up. I at least thought it would be a few more months and more focused on election. But at least me, I seem to see its impact in every YouTube video, generated content is appear…

It's not AI killing the internet, it's the parasitic worms in human suits that run hedge and equity funds. Everything gets converted into "value" which means nothing has value. The end game seems to be one engorged sack of money, and nothing left to buy with it.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by herculity275 »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #352
JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #350

I'm currently diving into some fairly fringe and very dead tech so my perspective is a bit skewed but I seem to be relying on the wayback machine an absolutely absurd amount lately.

Because the internet has started dying. Everyone though it would take at least some time before AI generated content kind of started stifling the internet, making it hard to find things, hard to figure out what is real. But, its already ramped up. I at least thought it would be a few more months and more focused on election. But at least me, I seem to see its impact in every YouTube video, generated content is appear…

It's still early days but things are definitely trending that way. Google Search is significantly worse than it used to be. Twitter is a cesspool of blue checked spam. Reddit is still functioning, but I keep seeing obviously transformer-generated comments more and more often (and I'm sure I'm reading tons more without even realizing). Once Sora and its ilk become widespread Youtube, Tiktok and Instagram are gonna get flooded with entirely synthetic content.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by [deleted] »

w0z_ wrote: post #227
drawfloat wrote: post #199

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I think that's an unfair view of Vice. It got acclaim for its writing and attitude as an independent outlet and seemed to be a legitimately profitable business for the first decade or so. It was only when it decided to become a media giant early/mid 2010s (and ironically people started to like it less and less) that it started hoovering up cheap investor money.

Vice got popular from very early internet videos before YouTube and TikTok kicked off, then it got indoctrinated by political ideas and everybody saw it. It turned trash. What are you on about lol.

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