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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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This is why I post on slashdot. They've passed the test of time (but not UIs, fuck beta). Looks like their first posts in '97 start here: https://slashdot.org/?page=8582 dunno what their december 31st, 1969 posts are after that (errors? intentional de-ranking?) Newspapers have a bad history of "experimenting" with enabling online comments and then deciding the experiment failed and delete them all. You're a newspaper…

It's very depressing that all the comment sections from the late 2000s to mid 2010s are nowhere to be found. Also a lot of live journal type sites. Comment sections seem omitted from Internet Archive snapshots, but I find them in many ways more worthy of archival than the published articles that make the cut.

That type of data would be so interesting for things like historical sentiment analysis

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It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

why would a movie company delete an entire high-budget movie that costs them almost nothing to release without releasing it to anyone?

I don’t know, but I suspect it’s a similar answer.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Nothing in that post indicates they are taking it offline, the HN headline is just editorializing. It says Vice is no longer making new content for their Web properties and focusing on other platforms instead like YouTube. There's no way they'd give up the ads dollars they get from he existing stuff... That makes no sense

Those ad dollars will diminish quickly, and pretty soon it will be more expensive to keep the website up than to just take it down.

You'd be surprised how much money you make from long tail or thousands of old articles, even with current SEO rules favouring new stuff

It won't be enough to run a big media company but more than enough to keep old content around

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Salon is also awful - it’ll be nice when they’re done

They’ll be fine as long as Trump wins the next election. The ad revenue from having even one of your daily “orange man bad” articles hit the top of a dozen massive subreddits a few times a week can sustain any business.

I think you were downvoted by people who so viscerally can’t stand the idea of Trump winning they need to silence anyone that might dare to say it… which entirely proves your point market that a media outlet can sustain on.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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I did some work for a design agency that got bought by Twitter.... we basically converted all their different sites to full static and put them on ice. It would have been expensive to keep hosting how they had been, but with everything flattened to static it's super cheap to keep up (although no publishing new stuff without some by hand work or restoring the old servers). All the good articles and design samples stay…

You still have to maintain the domain, and stay on the hook if the site gets overtaken/hacked/defaced.

I'm sure there's liability, copyright, and trademark concerns as well.

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Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible

This doesn't make sense to me. Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control. Don't you need a money sink instead of a money source to make low interest rates possible for long periods? In a way that could still be SV's doing though. Garbage companies like Juicero were able to absorb capital from the "real" economy to keep inflation from rising.

> Low interest rates are possible when inflation is not out of control.

Not to be pedantic, but it really depends on what you mean by inflation. If you only consider CPI then sure - maybe you're right - but in my opinion we've had out of control asset price inflation together with falling interest rates since around the time of the GFC. I'd go so far as to say it's been the defining feature of western economies over that period. Basically badly implemented quantitative easing.

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Isn't one of the founders of VICE a founder of the Proud Boys? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-secret-history-o...

Yeah, but, he changed . . . In the 1990s, McInnes was hardly a far-right menace. He was a tree-planting vegetarian, a druggy anarchist, and a self-described “dogmatic feminist.” Some people who knew him then still regard him as one of the funniest people they’ve ever met. He counted comedians such as David Cross and Sarah Silverman as friends, both of whom contributed articles to Vice. [ ... ] But over time McInnes a…

He was a tree-planting vegetarian, a druggy anarchist, and a self-described “dogmatic feminist ... But over time McInnes accelerated his drift to the political fringe.

Sounds like he just moved from one fringe to another.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

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