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The conditions of possibility for Silicon Valley as we know it predate low interest rates, there is always a confluence of forces at work in constructing any economic and social regime. First it goes back to Reagan, then you can go further back to the origins of set theory and phenomenology, then you can go back to Kant, and, if you're so inclined, you can retrogress all the way back to Panini and his systematization…

What's the connection between Set Theory/Kant and SV..?

Well, of course Phenomenology is more important when thinking about computation, but by the time Heidegger was writing about zeros and techne he was already quite old, and computation had developed significantly; the same with Godel, who we consider to be a very important thinker with regard to the theory of computation, but the machinery of the computer was already being put together before the invention of the formal logic that we today consider necessary for computer programming.

I say Kant because I suppose Kant was the first thinker to suggest (after Aristotle) that logic always has an existential import, that it only appears to us in the world and its not really certain if it exists in and of itself--at least, that's how Hegel reads him. And in any case Kant's philosophy is the beginning of modern western society from science to law to aesthetics, and, of course, philosophy.

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Its odd to think that both Silicon Valley and Vice were from the same phenomenon, but it does track (radical entrepreneurial libertarian "world-changing" businesses). But yeah, the whole neoliberal environment just produced a lot of bullshit in the end (in the developed countries). But I don't think, fortunately, the reaction to neoliberalism is going to stymy creativity at all, I think many are ready to embrace a ne…

you cant reverse innovation it's like a genie in a bottle. which is great SV is not a product of low interest rates though. it's the natural order of things

>it's the natural order of things

What is natural about computation? I've never seen writing in nature.

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Is this actually as dramatic as the title implies? The email says "we will no longer publish content on vice.com." That doesn't necessarily mean they'll pull vice.com offline. Either way, between this and Pitchfork winding down, it really feels like we're entering new times culturally.

The rumor yesterday was that they were. Employees had gotten a heads-up to back up their content because it may not be online forever.

(It’s my toot.)

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Gavin McInness? Founder of the Proud Boys, Gavin McInness?

Yes, he left Vice over "creative differences" a couple of years before he founded Proud Boys. He wasn't as openly fascist while at Vice, though Vice definitely had to do some damage control over his comments.

I would honestly really like to read a book (or New Yorker article, but I repeat myself) about this period. Was he fascist, just not openly, in the early days of Vice? Or was he radicalized later? If he was radicalized, how did that happen?

As loathsome as I find him, he also started two well-known organizations, with very different vibes, but also a through-line you can see if you squint. It must be an interesting story, maybe even an enlightening one.

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My thoughts as well. It was pretty strong the first few years and rapidly declined in quality for the last 5 or so.

At some point they stopped being fun and challenging and just became weird and angry. As much as I hate to say it (millenial), it's probably due to the age of millenials and genx now. They should have pivoted a different way--more in line with the changing life stage of the readership.

Vice: Parenting. School choice: Hip or Dangerous?

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I'm thankful for the Russian roulette series. Showed the brutality of war in Ukraine in 2014. Some scenes I won't forget. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7a0FGlPRdt47xi...

The old documentaries where Shane Smith himself went down to all kinds of dangerous places were really sick.

For a brief time, their HBO series was essentially a blueprint for a 21st-century 60 Minutes (which long ago became a hollow shell of its former self).

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This sure feels like another notch in the "the web is fundamentally broken" belt.

Google search continues to get worse, I can't find a recipe without diving past a few dozen ads, and now content creation sites are abandoning their own domains in favor of posting their new content direct to social media.

It really is starting to feel like the web will be nearly useless in the next year or two.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

Site wipes also disadvantage job-hunting staffers who suddenly don't have a public published portfolio to point potential new employers / clients to. Though enterprising staffers may anticipate such moves and archive content as it's published to head off the inevitable. (I've seen this issue raised on previous site shutdowns, quite probably Gawker .)

If you care, you should be saving your own stuff in some form. If I counted on people saving what I've written in findable form I'd have very little left. As it is, I have most things I care about.

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the best part is to block all of that short jazz with a firefox extension (also don't use youtube logged in) > is surprisingly fine (AvE, Tavarish, Rainman Ray, etc), a Where would you place "This Old Tony" in that regard?

> also don't use youtube logged in I find YouTube to be a much better experience when logged in. There is targeting in both cases, but it tends to be better aligned with what I want when I am logged in. And I second the extension, I use "Youtube-shorts block" which also exists for Chrome. On the topic of YouTube specific extensions, I also recommend SponsorBlock.

At least for me, I find Youtube too addictive if it offers me an endless list of vidoes tailored to me. The repulsiveness of the default suggestions means I'm not immediately sucked in.

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Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

They seem to offer something like that: https://www.archive-it.org/ However, the footer of that website says 2014 and the about page is broken, so not sure if it's still supported. Also, Cloudflare has a partnership with Web Archive and they offer something similar, but I think it's only made for temporary outages and only archives the most popular pages on your site

The site's last act was to archive itself
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