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Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by tlb »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

This could be because they've negotiated an exclusive distribution deal, where the new distributor gets to monetize all the old content too.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by dontupvoteme »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #125
FredPret wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley predates low interest rates by decades, and the tsunami of money it generates helped to create an environment where low interest rates for long periods were even possible

The conditions of possibility for Silicon Valley as we know it predate low interest rates, there is always a confluence of forces at work in constructing any economic and social regime. First it goes back to Reagan, then you can go further back to the origins of set theory and phenomenology, then you can go back to Kant, and, if you're so inclined, you can retrogress all the way back to Panini and his systematization…

What's the connection between Set Theory/Kant and SV..?

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by mooreds »

afterburner wrote: post #225
mooreds wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up a domain I used to own in the last year or so. It was a mildly popular site that had been around for about a decade. Within a few months someone else had snapped it up, created a site, used the same content (I assume from the Internet archive), and was using it to link farm. At least that's what I thought when I saw the new site with a few links that were not there before. I only discovered it because they…

I guess the lesson is, never give up a domain.

Kinda what I took away too. Which is a bummer because it raises the costs of trying things out, at least on new domains.

I guess using subdomains of a main site isn't that bad an alternative.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by curtisblaine »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #101
Scoundreller wrote: post #77

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This is why I post on slashdot. They've passed the test of time (but not UIs, fuck beta). Looks like their first posts in '97 start here: https://slashdot.org/?page=8582 dunno what their december 31st, 1969 posts are after that (errors? intentional de-ranking?) Newspapers have a bad history of "experimenting" with enabling online comments and then deciding the experiment failed and delete them all. You're a newspaper…

It's very depressing that all the comment sections from the late 2000s to mid 2010s are nowhere to be found. Also a lot of live journal type sites. Comment sections seem omitted from Internet Archive snapshots, but I find them in many ways more worthy of archival than the published articles that make the cut.

It is very depressing, but on the other hand you'd have millions of comments written in another era (pre-culture wars, when the Internet was more, let's say, "tolerant") that can be now traced back to the authors to cancel them. With infinite memory you need protection, otherwise it's un-erasable damnation.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by chaosbolt »

GypsyKing716 wrote: post #99

Nobody really cares about Vice, because of the politic that just didn't make sense anymore. They stopped making good content like a decade ago.

-In mid-August 2013, Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox invested US$70 million in Vice Media, resulting in a 5% stake.

-In August 2014, A&E Networks, a television group jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company and Hearst Corporation, made a US$250-million investment in Vice Media for an ownership stake of 10%.

-In November and December 2015, Disney made two additional individual investments of US$200 million totalling $400 million.

-In June 2017, Vice secured a $450 million investment from private-equity firm TPG Capital to increase spending on scripted programming and ongoing international expansion.

-Disney acquired Fox's stake in Vice when its acquisition of 21st Century Fox completed in March 2019.

-On 3 May 2019, Vice Media announced that it raised $250 million in debt from George Soros and other investors.

-Vice Media formally filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, as part of a possible sale to a consortium of lenders including Fortress Investment Group, which will, alongside Soros Fund Management and Monroe Capital, invest $225 million as a credit bid for nearly all of its assets.

Ok so they used to be honest, then got investments from big media companies, hedge funds and banks, and they stopped being honest, then were driven to bankrupcy and acquired by the usual hedge funds who will probably just turn them into another propaganda (which they had already become a decade ago) cog in the media machine.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by agumonkey »

jacurtis wrote: post #180

Its sad that Vice feels like they can only gain value from social media and YouTube. I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

Good things never really die, they reappear in more favorable contexts later. We just have to be patient.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by thewakalix »

afterburner wrote: post #225
mooreds wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up a domain I used to own in the last year or so. It was a mildly popular site that had been around for about a decade. Within a few months someone else had snapped it up, created a site, used the same content (I assume from the Internet archive), and was using it to link farm. At least that's what I thought when I saw the new site with a few links that were not there before. I only discovered it because they…

I guess the lesson is, never give up a domain.

What a letdown!

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by xxs »

fjfkjfdljkfd wrote: post #223
arsome wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think YouTube is the counter argument to this - long form content from passionate people has taken off pretty good there. Perhaps it's just me, but it seriously makes the rest of social media look like an absolute trashfire by comparison.

Youtube is pushing Tik Tok style "shorts" pretty hard. If you ever accidently click on one, the UI makes it very hard to find your way back, and easy just to sit and watch a bunch of 15-second clips. Even the long-form content is a minefield. The line between educational, informative long-form content (Clickspring, Tech Ingredients, Ox Tools, Matthias Wendel, Alan Millyard, etc) and "lifestyle entertainment" (Matt Ar…

the best part is to block all of that short jazz with a firefox extension (also don't use youtube logged in)

> is surprisingly fine (AvE, Tavarish, Rainman Ray, etc), a

Where would you place "This Old Tony" in that regard?

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by krisoft »

tsimionescu wrote: post #202
krisoft wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure how else you'd want to handle it. By having a minimum amount of foresight and putting into the initial contract an agreement which lets the parties maintain the online availability in a mutualy agreeable way.

Why do you think it's a problem of foresight and not simple motivation? Perhaps none of the parties cares about the availability of a book that doesn't make enough money to stay in print. Perhaps having the book become unavailable for some time is perceived as a benefit to the rights holder, allowing them to do a re-launch.

The question wasn’t what is the problem, but “how else you'd want to handle it”.

Re: Vice website is shutting down

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Post by rwmj »

geor9e wrote: post #59

Full text: Dear Vice Team, As we navigate the ever-evolving business landscape, we need to adapt and best align our strategies to be more competitive in the long term. After careful consideration and discussion with the board, we have decided to make some fundamental changes to our strategic vision at Vice. We create and produce outstanding original content true to the Vice brand. However, it is no longer cost-effect…

If that wasn't an written by an LLM with a prompt like "please write some generic business pablum justifying the bad action we're about to take" then it really should have been.
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