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Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

Buttons840 wrote: post #23

If an AI can do this, an AI can also watch my screen and blank out all ads and edit out the sound. The controversy and panic that will happen when such an AI is eventually revealed will be interesting.

AI can also watch your screen on Big Tech's behalf and market to you based on your porn watching habits. Or immediately alert interested parties of your torrent setup. Or allow a hacker access to your tax returns when they inevitably jailbreak said AI and it spews out the extremely sensitive personal information of billions of unaware people.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

cauliflower2718 wrote: post #25
littlestymaar wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel literally the opposite: the reason why I'm disappointed by the current state of AI is because I really want it to work so I can focus on the actually useful part of my job instead of doing boring stuff. What's the useful part of my job? It's bringing values to my customers: they want to do something, and they need help. But today, unfortunately I must always tell them to reduce their ambition because they woul…

The machine has been getting easier to talk to over time. The machine also doesn't complain or get tired or sick.

Okay so what was that meltdown yesterday then?

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

dotty- wrote: post #40
mjr00 wrote: post #33

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> it seems to be a proven technology now. Proven to do what exactly? A solution for which problems? Cryptocurrency had billions invested into it and the most valuable product that came out of it was cartoon apes. There's not a single blockchain that replaced the existing financial system, an area it was supposed to disrupt. There's not a single blockchain in use anywhere in logistics and supply chain, an area the blo…

Whether or not you agree with the greater philosophical goal of Bitcoin, Bitcoin proved the ability to create a system of value using basically just cryptography and with a built-in reward system to incentivize the decentralization of the network -- and it grew enough that it can now operate as a standalone method of payment. It's an amazing feat. Snowden is correct here: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1759304612…

Yeah it just requires massive investment in computer components, ridiculous amounts of carbon burning, servers in the Arctic to lower cooling costs, and a few towns full of people subject to more sound than jet engines at all hours of the day. Innovation!

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by amluto »

jameshart wrote: post #59
eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

It's actually worse than that. Why do we need web apps or iOS apps? They're just task specific computer interfaces. It's possible that this kind of AI tech eliminates the need for task specific computer interfaces at all. You don't need to tell the LLM to code up a TODO list app so you can sell it in the App Store. The user doesn't even need to tell an LLM to make them a TODO list app. Given an LLM that can persist a…

I’m somewhat skeptical, at least for LLMs per se. They are language models. They have, in many respects, superhuman abilities, but I wouldn’t really want to trust things that require accuracy to an unaided human or even an unaided superhuman.

I would expect better results from LLMs using programming languages, perhaps ones tailored to LLMs, to prepare tasks on behalf of their users.

(Also, LLMs doing anything direct are an incredibly inefficient use of computing resources. There are quite a few orders of magnitude of difference between the FLOPs needed to do basic calculations and the FLOPs needed to run inference on a large model that may be able to do those calculations if well trained.)

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by jameshart »

amluto wrote: post #84
jameshart wrote: post #59

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It's actually worse than that. Why do we need web apps or iOS apps? They're just task specific computer interfaces. It's possible that this kind of AI tech eliminates the need for task specific computer interfaces at all. You don't need to tell the LLM to code up a TODO list app so you can sell it in the App Store. The user doesn't even need to tell an LLM to make them a TODO list app. Given an LLM that can persist a…

I’m somewhat skeptical, at least for LLMs per se. They are language models. They have, in many respects, superhuman abilities, but I wouldn’t really want to trust things that require accuracy to an unaided human or even an unaided superhuman. I would expect better results from LLMs using programming languages, perhaps ones tailored to LLMs, to prepare tasks on behalf of their users. (Also, LLMs doing anything direct…

The thing is, a lot of tasks don't require accuracy.

We force accuracy on them when we computerize them, because computers historically haven't handled ambiguity well. That demands the skill of 'programming' - interpreting fuzzy real world problems, making them precise enough to be modeled in a way that classical computing can handle, and making computer routines to help.

But the underlying problem humans are looking for a bicycle-for-the-mind to make easier often didn't start off 'precise' at all.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by wolverine876 »

jhrmnn wrote: post #9
wolverine876 wrote: post #4

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This stage is called denial. There's also anger, bargaining, depression, and finally, in the end, acceptence. I'm saying in a funny way, but I suspect it's true. Who can say how AI will develop, but beware of happily-ever-after stories. It could be a nightmare for all of civilization, for just engineers, or just not develop much futher.

The problem with this is that it could be a universal argument against any skepticism. So unless skeptics are always wrong, it doesn‘t really work

That's a very interesting approach!

Ideally, skepticism has none of that: Denial is arguably not part of skepticism - it lacks skepticism of yourself (i.e., denial includes certainty). Skeptics has nothing to do with anger, or bargaining (you can't negotiate truth); and depression and emotional acceptance also are out of place.

Skepticism is unemotional in that its definition doesn't reach into emotion. But skeptics - all humans, as far as we know - are emotional creatures, and beyond a doubt those emotions play a role in driving much skepticism.

Which returns me to my point: Many responses to AI are driven more by those emotions than by skepicism.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by nradov »

plorkyeran wrote: post #79
hooverd wrote: post #16

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Well, it's a good thing seniors are hired from the void fully trained. /s

This is a problem that a lot of fields have had (e.g. hand-crafted furniture). Technological advances killed the market for juniors but demand for seniors remained. In the short term it's completely fine, but then a few decades later there's not enough new seniors to match demand.

What is the correct quantity of "senior" furniture craftsmen? How do we know there is a shortage? Unless there has been enormous wage inflation in the past few years then I am skeptical of any shortage claims.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by nradov »

Jerrrry wrote: post #41
twobitshifter wrote: post #39

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I would extend that from engineer to knowledge professionals in general. Our specialized tools, strange syntaxes, and invented worlds of code may shield us somewhat, but when you just want expertise and opinion typed out? That’s firmly in the LLM ballpark. LLMs are starting to nail memorization with perfect recall, beating humans. My own memories are always fuzzy and I need emails and notes and books to help me along…

I'm a "KM" "SME" and I can tell you that there is no doubt that every productivity gain in the last year has been $bigcorp employees feeding pseudo-anonymized business requirements and contexts into ChatGPT. OpenAI + any half-assed data broker could easily infer the company, as I am sure they have already done. All hail Microsoft, I am glad I chose the right AI megacorp overload early.

Have there been any measurable productivity gains in the past year?

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by replwoacause »

MetalGuru wrote: post #67
urbandw311er wrote: post #11

I am really sorry to whinge but is there any way at all to avoid posting links to tweets? Visiting twitter is such a horrible soul destroying experience. I can’t work out how to full screen the video if it’s even possible. The resolution on the video is too poor for me to be able to read the code. There are ads and troll comments everywhere. It seems to want me to create an account. It’s just horrific. Is there reall…

People post on twitter. It's a thing. Asking to avoid posting links to twitter is ridiculous

Maybe but i agree wholeheartedly about how terrible twitter is. Absolute trash heap of an app.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by koliber »

xyst wrote: post #27
eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

HN also underestimated cryptocurrency craze. Yet years later, it is busted. Seeing the same patterns with AI. Every startup is now incorporating “AI” or “deep learning” or “OpenAI” into their decks/motto/pitch. Have yet to see anything worth using beyond the initial hype. Using AI to me is like learning another programming language. Same shit. Different interface.

Our grandfathers underestimated the steel manufacturing craze and a century later, it is busted.
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