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Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by jonathankoren »

smegsicle wrote: post #22
jonathankoren wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once more for the people in the back. clap The clap Foundation clap Is clap Not clap The clap Corporation clap

what is this, are you applauding the legal structure of mozilla? what does it accomplish that excuses this level of waste?

1) It’s not applause. It’s emphasis.

2) The entire rationale for MoFo is:

2a) Own the for profit corporation because MoCo makes too much money to be considered a nonprofit for tax purposes. (This legal structure predates B Corps.)

2b) Give money away. That’s it. It gives money to academics and activists. Is it wasted? Maybe. But that’s what do philanthropic organizations do.

Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by mozempthrowaway »

jonathankoren wrote: post #59
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t understand how it works either. Mitchell is both the chair of the foundation and until like 2 weeks ago was the CEO. She had full control over where the money goes hence why she increased her pay so much. The foundation is sole owner of the corporation.

Please don’t explain the structure of Mozilla to a former Mozillian.

Maybe you’d forgotten how it’s structured or maybe you hadn’t read through the foundations financial filings before. I don’t know.

But somehow you think the foundation/corporation boundary is somehow relevant to Mitchell increasing her pay so much when she essentially leads both.

Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by sitzkrieg »

quectophoton wrote: post #58
weaksauce wrote: post #16

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i have seen websites that actively block you from using them unless you’re on a “supported” browser. it’s kinda nuts

Example: Twitch still doesn't let me login from Firefox if I'm on Alpine Linux. It only happens when I try from Alpine Linux, so they might be testing for some musl-specific quirk and denying access just for not being the Firefox from a different distro.

how old is your firefox? i am almost positive ive used twitch on alpine but it was a while ago

Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by earthling8118 »

mfer wrote: post #37

Consider what support mean. It doesn't mean "works with". Supported likely means that they test with and design for. It also means that if a customer is using that browser and there's a problem (e.g., seeing their bill online) they will fix the problem if it's just in that browser. Firefox is 3.3% of users [1]. When it comes to testing features with (including QA validation) and working around browser specific bugs,…

3% isn't that low when you consider how many people there are.

Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by earthling8118 »

jachee wrote: post #28
racl101 wrote: post #19

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Yeah, I was wondering about this. Who the heck is PG&E and why is it newsworthy if a single company doesn't support Firefox browser fully?

PG&E is Pacific Gas and Electric. It provides utility services to tens of millions of people. They’re one of, if not the biggest single utility companies in the country. It’s not like MomNPop, LLC.

They may as well be for a lot of us. I'd never heard of Kroger before a few months ago, and apparently they're one of the biggest grocery store chains. Their size doesn't mean that everyone knows about them.

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Post by neglesaks »

earthling8118 wrote: post #65
mfer wrote: post #37

Consider what support mean. It doesn't mean "works with". Supported likely means that they test with and design for. It also means that if a customer is using that browser and there's a problem (e.g., seeing their bill online) they will fix the problem if it's just in that browser. Firefox is 3.3% of users [1]. When it comes to testing features with (including QA validation) and working around browser specific bugs,…

3% isn't that low when you consider how many people there are.

Oh, I agree, but some corporate spreadsheet jockey may not think that 3% sounds like much.

Re: Mozilla Firefox is below PG&E threshold for support

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Post by hn_acker »

aggieNick02 wrote: post #29

"Don't worry, though... Regardless of your browser choice, we'll still hijack 'alt+back_arrow' to show you supported browsers instead of navigating to the previous page." That'll teach me to try to eat leftover bbq with my primary hand while using the other to browse HN over lunch.

> Regardless of your browser choice, we'll still hijack 'alt+back_arrow' to show you supported browsers instead of navigating to the previous page.

Frustrating. I'm using Mac, so the corresponding shortcut for returning to the previous page is command + left arrow (back arrow), now hijacked. command + [ does the same thing and isn't hijacked yet. If you're on Windows, backspace might work in Firefox, but you'll first need to change to change a flag in about:config [1]. I'd be reluctant to give backspace that behavior, since I've accidentally lost progress on online forms by accidentally navigating to another page.

[1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perf...

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