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Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Sooo they have been stealing Infiniti's from my area recently with relative ease allegedly by using a Bluetooth obd2 reader connected to an android tablet running a pirated copy of some Nissan service tech software. Nobody from any of the Infiniti groups is 100% certain how they are doing it, but the best theory out there is above. Just the other night, a crew of dudes stole 3 Q50’s from my neighborhood with relative…

Damn. That's a wild video (wish there was a fast forward though). Curious how they did it. Is this a CAN bus back?

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

#62
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Companies that put out egregiously vulnerable vehicles should be held liable, though.

We'll end up banning windows at this rate, they're an egregious vulnerability in cars and buildings alike. American cities, soft on crime, can't stop thieves from breaking windows so maybe they'll go after car manufacturers and construction firms instead. Going after companies instead of criminals is more aligned with their left-wing sensibilities, I think that's what this is really about.

Seems reasonable. Doors, windows, walls, roofs and sub-basements should be such that you cannot simply pass through them. After all it is now quite trivial to break through. And surely this is failure that builders should be responsible for.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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This has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. All vehicles are insecure. I can hook a tow truck to almost any vehicle, including an 80,000 lbs tractor trailer and drive off with it. That'd actually attract less attention that outright hotwiring a vehicle. The solution is to identify, arrest, and prosecute criminals. Which the government is not obligated to do in the US.

> Which the government is not obligated to do in the US.

Just a talking point - and the US has one of the most extensive criminal justice apparatuses of any country.

This article is about Canada - which has largely failed to control its organized crime+ports situation, unlike authorities in the US where most organized crime is organized from abroad and so difficult to disrupt but also less effective.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Yeah! If we make it illegal, then people will stop breaking the laws. That is how it works, right?

Maybe we could try enforcing those laws with no mercy given to the "wayward teens who don't know any better" (they do.)

Couple years in prison would mean that they cannot soon reoffend. Seems like reasonable solution to me.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

#66

Canada needs to reinstate the national port police, and actually do their job in policing. Policy changes for cars or technology will not solve the lawlessness in Canada.

Agreed. I am not sure why Canada has had so much comparative trouble with organized crime

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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This is true in absolute terms but over simplified because it glosses over the differences in scale. We require cars to have seatbelts because even though people still die in crashes, it’s a statistically certainty that many fewer die when seatbelts are used. Setting minimum standards is a critical function of governments in maintaining healthy markets because it prevents cheating from being cost effective. If you ma…

>even if much of the cost is paid by the owners’ insurance Insurers aren't usually charities. Those costs are still borne by the insured.

Yes. That’s why I listed it first as a separate category – it’s easy to see a stolen car as a loss of, say, $20-30k for the private insurance company and owner but there’s also going to be a cost for the time the police spend investigating, the city might spend disposing of a wrecked vehicle, the courts spend processing a car thief, etc. and potentially other significant costs if, say, a Kia challenge teenager hits another person or the vehicle is used to rob a house or business. While we can’t prevent it in absolute terms, there is still a significant social benefit to reducing car theft rates.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

#69

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. All vehicles are insecure. I can hook a tow truck to almost any vehicle, including an 80,000 lbs tractor trailer and drive off with it. That'd actually attract less attention that outright hotwiring a vehicle. The solution is to identify, arrest, and prosecute criminals. Which the government is not obligated to do in the US.

What do you mean they are not obligated?

The govt actively chooses which individuals violating the law to prosecute and not especially in progressive cities like San Francisco and Seattle, based on a set of their own principles vs the constitution written by their elected representatives.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Maybe we could try enforcing those laws with no mercy given to the "wayward teens who don't know any better" (they do.)

Couple years in prison would mean that they cannot soon reoffend. Seems like reasonable solution to me.

Do you know what the recurrence rate is for U.S. prisons? It's around 44%. 44% of people released from prison, within a year, go on to commit another crime severe enough to end them up back in prison
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