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Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by charcircuit »

coretx wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nintendo (or rather Nvidia) was behind the curve on fault injection counter-measures, Sony and Microsoft did their homework and it's never been achieved on their last two generations of systems as far as I know. Microsoft openly talked about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo Seriously, console security is getting really good. The Switch had some major hardware blunders between the bootloader bug an…

"console security is getting really good." - It's not nor will it ever be. There is no point in investing extra millions for let's say anti electron microscope measures for example. Developers aim for secure enough and don't care much about a single nerd who cracked his individual system using exotic specialists tools more valuable than the console and the entire game collection combined. It's more lucrative to just…

>There is no point in investing extra millions for let's say anti electron microscope measures for example.

TPM designs that protect against such an attack will become a commodity reducing the cost to include it onto a console. Every desktop, phone, laptop, tablet, microwave, fridge, server, etc will all need TPMs. The demand and scale exists for this to become cheap over time.

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by Jerrrry »

cheeze wrote: post #7
nebula8804 wrote: post #4

This soothes my soul seeing exploits for the consoles I grew up with. For a second it takes me back to a simpler time. The homebrew scene for the XBOX was more fun than the console itself! A while back I saw this clickbait video of "Gen Z trying out the original XBOX" and man that was a reality check as to how much time has passed.

Hacking the original Xbox + x360 is what I credit as getting me "really into computers" For OG xbox, I was a definition script kiddie but I learned how to use FTP, how to connect via crossover cable, how to solder, the basics of what exploits are and how they work, and a ton of other skills that I use daily. X360 required me to take the damn thing apart (which was terrifying as a 14 year old who wouldn't get a replac…

Microsoft actually just tricked an entire generation of us into learning C# and .NET.

They were playing the long-con game.

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by Cloudef »

azalemeth wrote: post #11

In many ways I think it is really quite sad that we're at a point where blown e-fuses, encrypted everything and properly done public/private key crypto means that it's entirely possible that next generation of consoles really might actually be unhackable and unbackupable, barring some tiny bootloader exploit, cheap TEM and an understanding of "physically uncloneable functions", or cheap and plentiful qubits. Things l…

As long as consoles have web browser there is a way. Ps5 was broken recently

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by Jerrrry »

harry8 wrote: post #35

Aside: og xbox is not so expensive 2nd hand and a great way to set up a kids lan party. 1 old router, 3 xboxes, 3 tvs, 12 controllers, Halo gets you 10 year-olds' mayhem. Noisy fun. Arguably easier if xboxes are modded. MotoGP, crash team racing, powerdrome, crimson skies all work great https://www.teamxlink.co.uk/wiki/Supported_Games then sort by both total players and players per console descending Is this single l…

modded oG xbox's or even X360s are a great living room centerpiece.

oG Xbox, Xlink Kai is still a thing. It was my first experience playing online as a poor 12 year old script kiddie myself.

For X360 LAN parties, It took a long time to find, but the hard-coded 4ms ping limit for "LAN" mode was removed, so LAN parties can be split into neighborhood LAN parties without problems

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by Jerrrry »

graphe wrote: post #24
jsheard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nintendo (or rather Nvidia) was behind the curve on fault injection counter-measures, Sony and Microsoft did their homework and it's never been achieved on their last two generations of systems as far as I know. Microsoft openly talked about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo Seriously, console security is getting really good. The Switch had some major hardware blunders between the bootloader bug an…

Xbone has no hacks. It has dev mode, no exclusives both which killed hacking and piracy.

yup, the "cat-and-mouse" game ended when they embedded the decryption key physically to the CPU.

You can't read it without breaking it.

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by ascagnel_ »

p1necone wrote: post #26
codetrotter wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH, has there really been any actually culturally significant video games released in recent years? I enjoyed for example the Uncharted games a lot. But I don’t think anything significant will have been lost if future generations of people don’t get to play the Uncharted games, no matter how much I enjoyed them myself. Whereas, things like Pong, and Pac-Man and the first Super Mario games and the Pokémon Red and Bl…

There's been plenty of amazing and culturally relevant games recently, you just have rose tinted glasses for the time you grew up in (or you haven't been gaming much). I'll just list a handful of really well known ones. * Basically everything FromSoft has put out (With Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring probably being the most important - Dark Souls effectively kicked off an entire genre because of it's popularity (technica…

We’re also finally getting games that have genuinely good writing in them, not just writing that’s good for the sliding scale that usually applies to interactive media.

- Disco Elysium is a role-playing game largely about self-discovery and identity

- Kentucky Route Zero is a reflection on mortality and the true costs of poverty

- NORCO is a meditation on death and survivorship with meanderings into environmentalism and groupthink/cult thinking

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

jsheard wrote: post #21
auguzanellato wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In many ways I think it is really quite sad that we're at a point where blown e-fuses, encrypted everything and properly done public/private key crypto means that it's entirely possible that next generation of consoles really might actually be unhackable Pirates will always find a way, the Nintendo Switch had all the countermeasures you mentioned, the latest revisions also have a patched bootloader but someone figu…

Nintendo (or rather Nvidia) was behind the curve on fault injection counter-measures, Sony and Microsoft did their homework and it's never been achieved on their last two generations of systems as far as I know. Microsoft openly talked about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo Seriously, console security is getting really good. The Switch had some major hardware blunders between the bootloader bug an…

I felt called out in that YouTube video when the guy said 'This is what people do to not spend $60 on games'.

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by cmur »

azalemeth wrote: post #11

In many ways I think it is really quite sad that we're at a point where blown e-fuses, encrypted everything and properly done public/private key crypto means that it's entirely possible that next generation of consoles really might actually be unhackable and unbackupable, barring some tiny bootloader exploit, cheap TEM and an understanding of "physically uncloneable functions", or cheap and plentiful qubits. Things l…

I think there’s some hope in the console market via the likes of things like the Steamdeck and other handheld PC devices. Hopefully they’ll get cheaper as time goes on and compete at the same price point as the switch.

Re: Endgame: A dashboard exploit for the original Xbox

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Post by echelon_musk »

cheeze wrote: post #7
nebula8804 wrote: post #4

This soothes my soul seeing exploits for the consoles I grew up with. For a second it takes me back to a simpler time. The homebrew scene for the XBOX was more fun than the console itself! A while back I saw this clickbait video of "Gen Z trying out the original XBOX" and man that was a reality check as to how much time has passed.

Hacking the original Xbox + x360 is what I credit as getting me "really into computers" For OG xbox, I was a definition script kiddie but I learned how to use FTP, how to connect via crossover cable, how to solder, the basics of what exploits are and how they work, and a ton of other skills that I use daily. X360 required me to take the damn thing apart (which was terrifying as a 14 year old who wouldn't get a replac…

A +1 for me too. The Xbox modding scene taught me the foundation of my systems knowledge despite already having a Windows PC.
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