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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by neuronic »

emptysongglass wrote: post #196
neuronic wrote: post #158

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Listen to internal speeches by Putin or Xi, they are often available on YouTube. We are not slowly sliding towards a world conflict, it has already begun and we are hopeless to stop it. It is arrogant to ignore or dismiss the happenings. Things were set in motion years ago and they are slowly unraveling. When the West rejected Russia's deeper integration into its structures after the Cold War ended and expanded NATO…

> Things were set in motion years ago and they are slowly unraveling. When the West rejected Russia's deeper integration into its structures after the Cold War ended and expanded NATO towards the East this path was set in stone. The late 2000s were the absolute breaking point. Your point would have been better made without weaseling in a Mearsheimer apology for authoritarian states. Russia snatching Ukraine has absol…

I am 2 days too late, but will reply nonetheless. I fully agree with your arguments about NATO expansion and am not trying to apologize Russian aggression.

However, it does not change how the Russians perceived NATO expansion which matters in todays conflicts:

> "The final assurance was Clinton’s agreement (despite Russia’s brutal Chechen war and multiple domestic pressures) to come to Moscow in May 1995 for the 50th anniversary celebrations of the victory over Hitler. In Moscow, Yeltsin berated Clinton about NATO expansion, seeing “nothing but humiliation” for Russia: “For me to agree to the borders of NATO expanding towards those of Russia – that would constitute a betrayal on my part of the Russian people."

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2021...

The Russians see the developments of the early 1990s as humiliating and as the spark of the modern conflict. It became much more serious in the late 2000s under Putin but the developments of the mid-90s already set things on a rotten path regarding the relationship between the West and Russia.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lukan »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #980
lukan wrote: post #878

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"Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do." Do you think those stereotypes are really helpful in understanding geopolitics? Traditionally what russia has always done(after it conquered its east), was being invaded, loosing lots of land, let the invader bleed out in the winter and then push back and win new territories. Then russia as a monarchy was quite different to the sowjet union, the result of…

> Do you think those stereotypes are really helpful in understanding geopolitics? In some kind of way, yes. Cultures differ, sometimes drastically so. It is important to evaluate stereotypes based on history and their merits. You said it yourself. Historically, Russia has faced many cyclic periods of expansion and reduction. They are currently being reigned by a patriotic figure with a record of dwelling on Russia‘s…

"It is important to evaluate stereotypes based on history and their merits."

"Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do."

What part of history implies, that russia (unlike e.g. Germany, France, UK, US,..) always started wars and always will be?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by actionfromafar »

JohnBooty wrote: post #133
ivan_gammel wrote: post #46

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This is the Biden‘s red line, just like Syria was the red line for Obama. In 2021 he promised dangerous consequences for Russia if Navalny dies.

I'm not sure this situation is comparable because the US is already fighting a proxy war including economic sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, with US materiel and funds directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers. Pentagon estimates 300,000 Russian casualties so far. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invas... In concrete terms what would you suggest the US d…

Gift a bunch of strategic bombers and fighter jets? Start training an all-Ukraine submarine crew or three? :-)

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by fennecbutt »

tryauuum wrote: post #830
1970-01-01 wrote: post #456

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I have held the exact same question. I don't say this lightly. His decision was stupid. He would've been much more effective as a critic with a Twitter account. You can't criticize the government when you're not free to do so.

why would russians care about what some twitter boy happily living in EU has to say?

Reminder that Americans voted trump in pretty much based off social media and TV presence, bluster, and Trump "supporting" each voter's individual brands racism, misogyny, homophobia etc.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lobocinza »

e12e wrote: post #539
aerique wrote: post #385

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I never understood why he went back to Russia.

Why stand in front of a tank?

I'd prefer to stay in the back where it's more vulnerable. 100m away from it with a tandem AT weapon ready. But honestly we can't always get what we want.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by khokhol »

myth_drannon wrote: post #659
logicchains wrote: post #643

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By rules of law you mean international law? By that logic we should also commit preemptive strikes against Israel to prevent it committing what is recognised by the internal community as genocide.

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IJC clearly stated there is no genocide.

Paragraphs 54 and 58 of the ruling clearly refute what you're saying.

It sounds like you're naively repeating a description of the ruling that you've heard from somewhere, without stopping to ask yourself whether it had any connection to reality or not.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by fbarred »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #605
sumedh wrote: post #36

His death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.

Yes. And now he is dead and will be forgotten in a week. As I mentioned earlier - does anyone remember the guy who flew over Belarus and had his plane redirected to the capital, and he was seized there. He also was a protester, now forgotten. I do not even remember his name and never heard of him since then.

I assume you never heard of Roman Protasevich before the plane incident?

Navalny on the other hand has done many notable things and was in the news all the time before his death. His is the first name you think of when you think of Russian opposition. This is not a valid comparison.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

fbarred wrote: post #997
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #605

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Yes. And now he is dead and will be forgotten in a week. As I mentioned earlier - does anyone remember the guy who flew over Belarus and had his plane redirected to the capital, and he was seized there. He also was a protester, now forgotten. I do not even remember his name and never heard of him since then.

I assume you never heard of Roman Protasevich before the plane incident? Navalny on the other hand has done many notable things and was in the news all the time before his death. His is the first name you think of when you think of Russian opposition. This is not a valid comparison.

I heard about Navalny when he was in Germany because it was newsworthy, and then when he decided to get back to Russia. I have never heard about him before.

Same for Protasevich - it is because his plane was diverted that it made it to the news.

The only time we hear about these people is when they do something visible. I am not saying that this is OK, it is just the sad reality of our world where one news pushes another.

Navalny could have had protested and there would be a chance he would be heard then. When he was in prison it was over until he dies.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by selimthegrim »

kulikalov wrote: post #378

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed…

Oh my God this sounds like New Orleans

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by sparrowInHand »

cyrillite wrote: post #500
aerique wrote: post #385

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I never understood why he went back to Russia.

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

And now it was used by putin to overshadow ukraine-maidan day. The message is clear. Ukraine is just sideshow, murdered oppossition in mainland, is main-show.
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