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Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by anacrolix »

mgdigital wrote: post #42
imtringued wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with decentralised software is that you don't want to host other people's illegal content. I once tried out zeronet, which downloads the entire decentralised website and anyone can post things to it. Although I have not found CSAM directly on their Reddit equivalent, there are people posting advertisements to zeronet CSAM sites. The idea that I am downloading and automatically redistributing content like…

Bitmagnet may download metadata about CSAM content, which is automatically deleted with fairly high accuracy. You would never be redistributing it. No outgoing peer protocol is currently implemented. This is planned but it will give users control of what they're sharing rather than indiscriminately sharing everything.

https://www.coveapp.info/ approaches this in a similar fashion. I don't believe there's any legal issues in collecting metadata in an automated fashion from a public network. So creating a search index for personal use from this is fine. However if you do click and start seeding questionable content, then it becomes an issue. https://www.coveapp.info/#dht-indexer

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by anacrolix »

jMyles wrote: post #36
rakoo wrote: post #8

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You don't need an indexer for that. All you need is a static list with all your music, and people can click on links to download your music. Give them qbittorrent and it'll be running smoothly.

Sure, but I'd like to go beyond magnet links and make it properly decentralized, with the discovery happening in the DHT and torrent swarm.

Maybe check out how it's done here: https://archive.org/details/the-fanimatrix-div-x-5.1-hq. They don't seem to provide magnet links, but basically you create a torrent from your music. Host it somewhere (Cloudflare R2 would be good for free egress) in the right structure. Add the webseed endpoint to your torrent file and create a magnet link. Put all this stuff on a website in the download section. Let your users download it however they want.

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by anacrolix »

chopsuey5540 wrote: post #18

This looks interesting but I’m a bit worried about the CSAM / illegal stuff part, could a user get in trouble because he has traces of that in his crawled index? Also, how large is the index after indexing for a few months?

At least in the case of https://coveapp.info, the metadata you fetch from users while scraping is disassembled into a form for efficient searching only. The only part remaining in an identifiable form is the infohash.

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by anacrolix »

lupusreal wrote: post #57

The web UI is super slow. It's slow with the default view of 10 results per page and unbearably slower at 100. These aren't big numbers and my computer isn't old, something was poorly done here and setting the default number of results per page to 10 clearly is not the correct fix. (For the record it only has a mere thousand results so far..) Also, the content classification is so bad it might as well not exist. How…

Try https://www.coveapp.info/, I mentioned it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39425381. I wrote a custom search implementation for torrents that uses keyword matching and boosts search scores based on popularity of torrents on the DHT. It feels very much like TPB search but not so aggressively focused on seeder counts (i.e. better matching on file names can outrank a higher seeder count).

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by idiotsecant »

paulmd wrote: post #67
UberFly wrote: post #53

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Or a baked-in a use-based rating system. That would be cool if it could be protected from abuse.

Then you have a user reputation problem instead… me and my 5 million alts say this is the REAL korn_blind.mp3.exe. Nothing is new under the sun since the internet was created, these are the same problems that email has tried and failed to solve for 50 years.

Its going to be an unpopular take, but crypto solves this. As in currency. Make people attest to things with locking a very small amount of money.

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by [deleted] »

paulmd wrote: post #67
UberFly wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or a baked-in a use-based rating system. That would be cool if it could be protected from abuse.

Then you have a user reputation problem instead… me and my 5 million alts say this is the REAL korn_blind.mp3.exe. Nothing is new under the sun since the internet was created, these are the same problems that email has tried and failed to solve for 50 years.

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Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by viraptor »

idiotsecant wrote: post #76
paulmd wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you have a user reputation problem instead… me and my 5 million alts say this is the REAL korn_blind.mp3.exe. Nothing is new under the sun since the internet was created, these are the same problems that email has tried and failed to solve for 50 years.

Its going to be an unpopular take, but crypto solves this. As in currency. Make people attest to things with locking a very small amount of money.

This has been used by record labels in the past. I can't remember which system tried to do reputation (was it kazaa?), but some of the most upvoted songs were the current hits, but replaced with a ~10s loop going for a few minutes.

Now, do you think you can outvote riaa enforcement group equivalent, if they decide so spend money on this?

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by viraptor »

lupusreal wrote: post #57

The web UI is super slow. It's slow with the default view of 10 results per page and unbearably slower at 100. These aren't big numbers and my computer isn't old, something was poorly done here and setting the default number of results per page to 10 clearly is not the correct fix. (For the record it only has a mere thousand results so far..) Also, the content classification is so bad it might as well not exist. How…

This project only started a few months ago. It's just young and being worked on - no need to dis this as half-baked.

Re: Bitmagnet Allows People to Run Their Own Decentralized Torrent Indexer Locally

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Post by schemathings »

anacrolix wrote: post #74
lupusreal wrote: post #57

The web UI is super slow. It's slow with the default view of 10 results per page and unbearably slower at 100. These aren't big numbers and my computer isn't old, something was poorly done here and setting the default number of results per page to 10 clearly is not the correct fix. (For the record it only has a mere thousand results so far..) Also, the content classification is so bad it might as well not exist. How…

Try https://www.coveapp.info/ , I mentioned it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39425381 . I wrote a custom search implementation for torrents that uses keyword matching and boosts search scores based on popularity of torrents on the DHT. It feels very much like TPB search but not so aggressively focused on seeder counts (i.e. better matching on file names can outrank a higher seeder count).

Why is there an ffmpeg dependency if the app is only working with metadata?
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