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Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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“Poland and the demon in democracy” https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/poland-and-the-demon-in-d...

Politicians committing crimes end up in courts and then in prison, plain and simple. And this is plain propaganda, repeating many talking points of the PiS party (the party previously in power, who illegally used Pegasus).

iT's poLitICal PerSeCutiOn!

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#53
post #10

1 Over 7000 licenses for Pegasus alone. Both opposition and own party surveilled. 2 Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel. All Government secrets and potential kompromat transferred to foreign power.

>Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel Wait, seriously? Any sources on that? I find it hard to believe that any government would spend $$$ on a security tool that doesn't allow on-prem installation and instead beams all your surveillance to another country.

this was meant to be used for spying terrorists and such, so should not be big deal

from what I heard about Pegasus: noone could get that malware for themselves to not compromise it, so it's you wanted to hijack some phone you would send them phone number so they could resend exploit again (spyware was not persistent across reboots, so you needed to rehack it every time)

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#54

Fuck NSO Group.

Why? It serves no purpose, if it wasn't them, it would be New NSO Group instead. So long as these vulnerabilities exist, they're going to be exploited. Every time they find an exploit it's a moment of pure genius. With every new baseband and every new OS update there's a good chance that they find they have no answer. I don't blame the hackers in the slightest. It's also not useful to blame governments.

More useful to blame the systemic issues that allow these things to take place: the one that pops to the front of my mind is that the FCC has such a high degree of standards with modems that it results in a severe lack of competition. Google and Apple choose to release phones without contractually demanding full source access to the entirety of it so that it can be audited by their security teams. Those are things that can and should change.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#55

Fuck NSO Group.

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

Replace NSO group’s spyware with child sex slaves, reread what you wrote, and then revisit your moral compass

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#56
post #4

“Poland and the demon in democracy” https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/poland-and-the-demon-in-d...

> The former top European Union official’s party only won 30% of the vote compared to the 36% of his incumbent conservative, EU-skeptical rivals, the Law and Justice (PiS) party, but was nonetheless able to assemble a coalition of leftists to take power.

Just one party in this coalition is from the left. The rest is decidedly centre to centre-right.

Hard to treat this piece seriously.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#57

Fuck NSO Group.

NSO is just a strawman for the government of Israel. Surveillance technology is a very successful soft power tool, as the dictators crave its capabilities to stay in power. Pegasus is world class technology, so Israel could score a lot of brownie points by allowing these sales. Too bad they got too greedy and sloppy and allowed the phones of some US officials in Africa to be infected. Coincidentally there was a leak of 50000 phone numbers and NSO goes boom. Israeli "security diplomacy" rebuilt NSO and is still going strong, surprised i am not :-(

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#58
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

> The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. There is also insatiable demand for nuclear weapons, but if a private company from the US started selling them to random dictatorships, yes, I would blame them.

Poland isn’t a dictatorship, it’s an EU member state and a member of NATO.

Also let’s not compare malware/spyware to nuclear weapons.

Poland can get their hands on any weapon or controlled technology they pretty much want.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#59

Fuck NSO Group.

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

> If they wouldn't build them, someone else will.

Nobody thinks that we can prevent everyone from doing something. The point of regulating (or making it illegal) and then enforcing those laws is to increase friction, increase costs, and thus making the thing difficult enough to obtain that the problems it causes become manageable. If there are 3 vendors of this sort of thing, then shutting down one of them definitely will make it more difficult for would-be customers by increasing costs and risks. Something does not have to be perfect to be good.

> They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

When Iran sells weapons to the Russians we definitely blame them, yes. And the Russians for using them, as well.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

#60
post #10

1 Over 7000 licenses for Pegasus alone. Both opposition and own party surveilled. 2 Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel. All Government secrets and potential kompromat transferred to foreign power.

>Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel Wait, seriously? Any sources on that? I find it hard to believe that any government would spend $$$ on a security tool that doesn't allow on-prem installation and instead beams all your surveillance to another country.

NATO countries' governments and military use phones with encrypted communications to which the US has the keys. This fact was made available during investigation into the Polish government plane crash in Smolensk. The US authorities have access to the recordings of the calls made by the late president of Poland, but said they would not make them available.

source: https://www.money.pl/archiwum/wiadomosci/artykul/usa;nie;uja...

Indirectly, all software vulnerability tools that send source code and other artefacts to servers outside government's control give third parties access to information about potential attack vectors, software vulnerabilities, and infrastructure layout.

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