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Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by siva7 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #16
rasz wrote: post #10

1 Over 7000 licenses for Pegasus alone. Both opposition and own party surveilled. 2 Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel. All Government secrets and potential kompromat transferred to foreign power.

>Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel Wait, seriously? Any sources on that? I find it hard to believe that any government would spend $$$ on a security tool that doesn't allow on-prem installation and instead beams all your surveillance to another country.

a) it's not a security tool but spyware b) this spyware is meant to spy on the government so this job is better outsourced to another government

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by axlee »

xemoka wrote: post #27
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel Wait, seriously? Any sources on that? I find it hard to believe that any government would spend $$$ on a security tool that doesn't allow on-prem installation and instead beams all your surveillance to another country.

I’m curious about this statement too, seems there’s evidence that they don’t and the customer is the data handler: https://www.edps.europa.eu/system/files_en?file=2023-01/0221... top of page 4. I guess this is all according to NSO claims. I’d like to see evidence otherwise!

Why would you trust anything a spyware company says? This is not a tongue-in-cheek question.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by axlee »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #24
sjwhevvvvvsj wrote: post #12

Fuck NSO Group.

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

> The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government.

There is also insatiable demand for nuclear weapons, but if a private company from the US started selling them to random dictatorships, yes, I would blame them.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by andrepd »

andrenth wrote: post #4

“Poland and the demon in democracy” https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/poland-and-the-demon-in-d...

Is anyone fooled by this drivel? Honest question. Because some things are pernicious: misleading but in a subtle way, sly and devious. This is just so in-your-face laughable.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by miohtama »

axlee wrote: post #32
xemoka wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious about this statement too, seems there’s evidence that they don’t and the customer is the data handler: https://www.edps.europa.eu/system/files_en?file=2023-01/0221... top of page 4. I guess this is all according to NSO claims. I’d like to see evidence otherwise!

Why would you trust anything a spyware company says? This is not a tongue-in-cheek question.

No honour among the thieves

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by padjo »

andrepd wrote: post #34
andrenth wrote: post #4

“Poland and the demon in democracy” https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/poland-and-the-demon-in-d...

Is anyone fooled by this drivel? Honest question. Because some things are pernicious: misleading but in a subtle way, sly and devious. This is just so in-your-face laughable.

About 40% of American voters appear to be falling for it.

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by CPLX »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #24
sjwhevvvvvsj wrote: post #12

Fuck NSO Group.

The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will. They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

Of course I do. Is your theory that manufacturing weapons of war is a morally neutral occupation?

Re: Poland’s PM says previous government illegally used Pegasus spyware

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Post by rasz »

xemoka wrote: post #27
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Usage of Pegasus means all intercepts are on the servers in Israel Wait, seriously? Any sources on that? I find it hard to believe that any government would spend $$$ on a security tool that doesn't allow on-prem installation and instead beams all your surveillance to another country.

I’m curious about this statement too, seems there’s evidence that they don’t and the customer is the data handler: https://www.edps.europa.eu/system/files_en?file=2023-01/0221... top of page 4. I guess this is all according to NSO claims. I’d like to see evidence otherwise!

That was one of the claims during parliamentary committee investigating it.
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