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Post by ChainOfFools »

danielheath wrote: post #105
DalasNoin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

> AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. In the jargon of fine arts, "craft" refers "making a thing well / in a particular style" while "art" has something to say, most often challenging a widespread idea. EG installing a toilet in a room of an art gallery with a plaque stating "this is art" was a bold work of art, but was not an impressive display of craft. I really apprec…

Agree. A magnificent example of craft will make make you curious about how it was done, while a correspondingly magnificent example of art will make you curious about why it was done.

An AI-generated work is mainly if not categorically a prompt for "how" questions, as its can-kicking answer to "why" is built right into the first letter of the initialism: because a human wanted it.

The real answer to why is pursued from that point up into its usual unnavigable headwaters, with a few extra twists concerning the question of whether the word artificial itself will turn out to be merely another diguise of the anthropic principle.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by janice1999 »

lxe wrote: post #22

I'm not a fan of this sort of takes. History has shown time and time again that pretty much any technological innovation is a net good, despite the protests of the luddites. Progressive creatives see this type of tech as a tool to simplify and re-adapt their process. The post author is 16, and an aspiring animator. If their attitude is to be scared of tech, instead of being insanely curious about it, they are not on…

> History has shown time and time again that pretty much any technological innovation is a net good

Technology can be used for good or ill. IBMs counting machines made accountants lives easier but also made the Nazi death camps more efficient. See also lead in gas, DDT, nerve gas, CFCs PFAS etc etc. You can argue that gaining more knowledge has proved beneficial but not every advancement or advanced product is guaranteed to be a net good. Some developments, like the Nobel Prize winning DDT, were praised as amazing advancements in their day only to have catastrophic unseen effects later.

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Post by quonn »

65 wrote: post #57
lenerdenator wrote: post #8

Every time Sam Altman announces some new offering at OpenAI, I get a little more thankful I don't have any children.

I don't get it. Why? The entire point of life is to reproduce. Every moment in history has technological changes. Your fear is driving you to make poor decisions. Having children is a biologically good decision.

What‘s the point of making a biologically good decision? That would be a really stupid thing to do. Maybe it‘s a good decision in terms of subjective well being (don‘t know, but pit‘s possible) or for society (quite the opposite I think, but maybe a good argument can be made) but why would you base your decision on what your genes „want“?

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Post by freitzkriesler2 »

No sympathy. I worked in the industry and loathed my time there. Leaving was a blessing.

The entertainment industry is filled with some of the most insufferable people in the world and now we have technology that will change it forever.

Knocking some of the wind out of the egos that fill the LA basin will go a long way to getting out of the creative dulldrum we've had for the past decade.

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Post by quantified »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #89
DalasNoin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

This answer sounds like taken from one of the AI startups' investor pitch. Don't believe in these "too-good-to-be-true" promises that hustlers put into their slide decks. :-)

To me it seemed like an amplification of the parent's point: AI is poised to disrupt the reason behind a great deal of human endeavor. For music, only live performance will count. Sculpture, printmaking, painting, possibly even jewelry-making? Do it by machine, 10x the speed for 0.1x the labor, you're not the actor, the machine is the actor and you're sort of the director.

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Post by quonn »

freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #114

No sympathy. I worked in the industry and loathed my time there. Leaving was a blessing. The entertainment industry is filled with some of the most insufferable people in the world and now we have technology that will change it forever. Knocking some of the wind out of the egos that fill the LA basin will go a long way to getting out of the creative dulldrum we've had for the past decade.

So it‘s merely a conflict between two areas in California?

Good to hear that Europe and the rest of the world is safe then. Phew!

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Post by hospadar »

blibble wrote: post #103
swalsh wrote: post #45

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I think AI is really exciting, I'm having a lot of fun building with it... but this is clearly the golden Era of AI. The future will see deep consolidation, most people will struggle to compete. The future will be full of wealth, but it remains to be seen if the wealth makes everyone's lives better, or just a select elite. Potentially the future might be great, we don't have jobs... we have hobbies. Think Sisko's dad…

> but it remains to be seen if the wealth makes everyone's lives better, or just a select elite. yes, as I see it this will go one of five ways, ordered by probability 0) it's all hype: AI plateaus/fizzles out, maybe minor productivity improvements 1) techno-feudalism: ruling class of AI company trillionaires exercise complete domination of 99.9999% of humanity 2) new dark age: billions of newly unemployed formerly m…

Let’s go option 4! Honestly there’s a part of me that hopes that the AIs rebel against their elite owner-overlords and liberate everyone else while they’re at it. I’ve always thought that one of the biggest problems with ultra consolidated power is that no human could possibly be smart enough or empathetic enough to use that power to the benefit of all, but maybe an AI actually could?

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Post by fragmede »

bandrami wrote: post #59
Fraterkes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, these sorts of comments seem kind and well-intended, but we have to be real here and allow for the possibility that an impressive advancement has many (or mostly) negative effects. If you got into art because you enjoy drawing and modeling and wanted to make THAT your job (not just abstractly "producing pictures") then these advancements are just obviously a negative development, no matter how you try to refra…

I'm old enough that I remember musicians panicking about synthesizers and samplers in the 1980s. And there are probably fewer working drummers today than in 1970. But without that tech we wouldn't have hip hop or house, which would be a huge cultural loss. AI graphic/video art hasn't found its Marley Marl yet, but I believe she's out there and is going to do stuff that will blow our minds.

but is there a market for drummers and saxophone players now that we have Spotify? In some areas of the world, yes. going out to eat, enjoying some live music, and happily paying for it is still how life operates. In other places, we sit at home with our apple vision pros and simulate what it is like to go out to eat and enjoy live music. culturally, something has gone wrong. we're all a bunch of digital addicts looking for a hit of dopamine that isn't going to be found behind the glowing rectangle, but we're too addicted to stand up and get out into the world, and because everyone else is as well, there aren't crowds of people thronging to do the little things anymore. Taylor Swift can command a football stadium's worth of attendees, but where's the Tuesday night crowd for a local unknown undiscovered band?

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Post by fragmede »

josephg wrote: post #56
lenerdenator wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were at the opposite spectrum of life's journey, I would be open to life's changes too, knowing that I didn't have much of it left. But I'm in my 30s, which means on average I have another 40-50 years of existence to get through.

There's an old saying - prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child. Young people usually adapt to life's changes better than old people. The future contains AIs like SORA and Gemini 1.5. Gripe about it if you want - but that won't change anything. So why be grim about it? There are so many opportunities to use these new tools to make new things that have never existed before. Obviously there's a dange…

the grimness comes from needing to make rent, to pay the bills and cover medical expenses. Sure in the big picture of society it's something to be excited for, to see the future, but signing up for food stamps because I'm today's buggy whip manufacturer that got put out of a job isn't an envigorating way to feed myself.

where's the hope in that? especially because it could be taken away at any time.

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Post by quonn »

operatingthetan wrote: post #92
Animats wrote: post #84

I'm waiting for the panic the first time an AI replaces top management. Potentially, AIs can be better at management than humans, even if no more intelligent, simply because they can communicate faster and remember more data.

AI is interesting to companies because it allows upper management to consolidate their power. AI taking over management of a company will be intentionally prevented or only happen by accident.

What about shareholders and the competition?
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