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Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by krapp »

throwing_away wrote: post #47
starbugs wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> artificial beings Last time I checked it was an algorithm that needs to be run and fed with input to perform calculations. Not a being? The only thing that is a "being" about it currently is the nature of the beings that "donated" the training data (without being, hem, asked).

So are you, if you abstract enough.

If you abstract enough, humans and fungi are the same. Abstract further, humans and rocks are the same. Yet humans aren't fungi, nor are they rocks. Abstract the concepts of "input" and "algorithm" and "calculation" enough and "an algorithm that needs to be run and fed with input to perform calculations" could describe programming a remote control. Or tying shoes. Are shoes beings? Are humans shoes? Are shoes rocks?

There comes a point at which abstraction becomes too general to be useful, and most attempts to equate LLMs with human beings fall into that category for me. Yes, one could describe the intricacies and complexities of human thought and reasoning as equivalent to prompting a stateless stochastic token matching machine but all that proves is how much of a reach the premise is.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by greggsy »

ergonaught wrote: post #60

Nearly everyone I've encountered with overall positive/optimistic views on the probable impacts of "this technology" seems to be wildly out of touch with the state of human sociocultural systems, the actual ("situation on the ground") nature of their fellow primates, the kind of decisions that the people/companies who get to make those decisions are actually making, what these technologies are capable of automating,…

You’re ignoring the sociopath-technical and accessibility aspects. It has already allowed people to deliver products that they would otherwise require deep expertise (see the recent Galactic Centre app post) or interaction with inaccessible business and professional structures.

Also, we weren’t ready one year ago when all this took off, and the sky still hasn’t fallen yet. It was already incredibly powerful even then, and what obvious adverse effects have come about?

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by reisse »

Is it just me or at least half of the answers are so blandly written they seem to be GPT generated?

Take one short statement ("instead of making art, you can make prompts for the model to make arts"). Bury it deep between the four paragraphs of text. Elaborate why the statement is positive or negative. Provide examples from your personal experience. Finish with a conclusion, expressing your own opinion. People don't talk with each other like that, go check Reddit, HN comments, X/Mastodon and figure!

Before advent of GPT, I've seen this particular style of writing only in IELTS essays (where the rules and tasks are, by design, uncanny close to prompting a GPT model) and in r/LinkedinLunatics.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by Animats »

I'm waiting for the panic the first time an AI replaces top management.

Potentially, AIs can be better at management than humans, even if no more intelligent, simply because they can communicate faster and remember more data.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by y04nn »

djbusby wrote: post #2

Well I thought it was gonna be about the hostile deep-fakes but it's about career threat for creatives. I do wish the robots were doing more mundane or labour intensive tasks and leave the art to humans.

The fact is that machines have already replaced manual labor, just look at the machines and trucks in a mine, a factory or in agriculture. It already happened, one person work is leveraged to replace a thousand.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by Animats »

habitue wrote: post #16
hyperluz wrote: post #5

IMHO the advancements in technology related with industries in which the end product is digital (movies, animation, texts, programs, etc.,) instead of fundamental spatial services like automation of food productions, cleaning, garbage collection, house building, etc., is a direct consequence of physical space being a luxury around the world, with housing and renting prices skyrocketing. The Garage Culture is a privil…

To be clear, there is plenty of space for humans on earth right now. I'm not talking about in uninhabitable places, I mean in amazing fertile locations. Real world space is a luxury because of bad regulation in places with good governments and other places having bad governments (you didn't imply otherwise, but I know there's a common misconception that space is running out and the world is overcrowded. It's largely…

Those places aren't where the money is. SF can't even get homeless people to move somewhere else.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by starbugs »

krapp wrote: post #81
throwing_away wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are you, if you abstract enough.

If you abstract enough, humans and fungi are the same. Abstract further, humans and rocks are the same. Yet humans aren't fungi, nor are they rocks. Abstract the concepts of "input" and "algorithm" and "calculation" enough and "an algorithm that needs to be run and fed with input to perform calculations" could describe programming a remote control. Or tying shoes. Are shoes beings? Are humans shoes? Are shoes rocks?…

> Yes, one could describe the intricacies and complexities of human thought and reasoning as equivalent to prompting a stateless stochastic token matching machine but all that proves is how much of a reach the premise is.

If you ask me, no you cannot do that even if you know you're stretching the limits of that "abstraction". It just doesn't fly even in the wildest theory. Even if an LLM has a world model that could be compared to a human one, the whole underlying nature of experience is completely missing, hence rendering even this narrow comparison extremely wonky.

Otherwise, I like the way you've put it into words though!

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by lenerdenator »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #75
lenerdenator wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh. I'm not a part of the private St. Louis preparatory school and "drop out of Stanford when a VC tells you you're Jesus Christ" set. I doubt any of my potential offspring would be either. No, more because Altman is an even higher form of Silicon Valley creature than we've seen before. This is a segment of society that thinks that you can directly judge something's benefit to humanity based on the IPO it could have…

Humans have never needed said technology to lie, deceive and mislead. Ignorance and human nature in general (eg confidence tricks) are a much more powerful weapons at any rate. But the most effective defense remains the same: critical thinking. Sadly, it's not very popular.

I know we all need to think more critically, but existence now throws more situations and decisions at people than the human brain has the ability to deeply ponder and process within a reasonable amount of time. Thus, we either use more primal reactions (like fear) or sum up the decisions in abstractions like profit that aren't nearly the catch-all we pretend they are. That's part of why these technologies are so threatening.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

DalasNoin wrote: post #71
scandox wrote: post #29

I think what a lot of the answers gloss over is that the period of adjustment to the new technology often does pull the rug from under people who have invested a good deal of time and attention becoming skilled at something. Our lives are of limited length therefore the concern for a generation of people is real and shouldn't be just treated as a detail of history. Equally in many areas the end result is a loss of so…

This is kind of a general response, but I disagree. AI is not just like any other past technology. Just two ways in which it is totally different from the steam engine: AI is able to make art, it can learn from people and then produce similar results. It can imitate art that is the result of our deepest internal processes. Also, AI is about replacing all human jobs and capabilities. Not just a super narrow subset.

This answer sounds like taken from one of the AI startups' investor pitch. Don't believe in these "too-good-to-be-true" promises that hustlers put into their slide decks. :-)

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Post by hyperluz »

bandrami wrote: post #46
hyperluz wrote: post #5

IMHO the advancements in technology related with industries in which the end product is digital (movies, animation, texts, programs, etc.,) instead of fundamental spatial services like automation of food productions, cleaning, garbage collection, house building, etc., is a direct consequence of physical space being a luxury around the world, with housing and renting prices skyrocketing. The Garage Culture is a privil…

I don't know about the rest of the world but most Americans live in significantly larger housing than previous generations did (that's part of why it's so expensive). SROs are basically illegal now, and "starter houses" that used to be 800 sq feet three times that size now.

I don't know if there is a concrete source of your claiming.

Even if there is, it's probably restricted to the USA.

At relevant parts of the USA, house sizes are being compressed.

Source: The New York Times

Title: The Great Compression

Date: 02/17/2024

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/17/business/economy/the-grea...

Edit: formating

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