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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by benterix »

wrs wrote: post #725
ethanbond wrote: post #655

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The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

Well, it works OK as long as the countries involved don’t get taken over by a demagogue, dictator, or whatever the Brexit movement was. In other words, rationality and cooperation go out the window. Which turns out to be a pretty common failure mode according to 21st century evidence.

> Well, it works OK

I believe the problem is that the premise is false. It works OK for a part of the population that feels comfortable with it. When you look closer at the root causes they are not immaterial and often boil down to people not wanting immigrants around them. If you are progressive you can just dismiss their outdated attitude - and this is what center- and left-wing politicians were doing for decades. Ignoring and ridiculing these folks caused the radical right to grow stronger in several European countries. Putin knows that and that's why he is sending more and more of them to Belarussian borders.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tryauuum »

axegon_ wrote: post #921
tryauuum wrote: post #858

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> Assuming there is such a thing as opposition in Russia Oh, that reminds me about people in russian internet who said that Navalny was managed from Kremlin. They kept saying this even when he went to prison. Do you as well believe in the shadow government which controls every public figure?

> Do you as well believe in the shadow government which controls every public figure? This is a trademark of the people who call themselves "free thinkers", or as the rest of the world commonly knows them, "tankies". I'm solely talking about the russian society: the same society that is unironically congratulating women for getting a new free coat after having their children killed. The same society that's gloating a…

all the corruption investigations his team did is a redeeming quality. No one else in russia did such thorough investigations

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by the_why_of_y »

gpvos wrote: post #850
holoduke wrote: post #777

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The history of both nations is hugely different. I would recommend this lecture series by Timothy Snyder to enlighten you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz... Yes, there are lots of family and friendship ties between the countries. It's sad that Putin has destroyed any chance of good relationships in the future, and basically solidified Ukraine as a nation in opposition to his aggression.

Second the recommendation, learned a lot watching this.

If you don't have time to watch all 23 episodes, the last one is a bit of a summary, discussing the history of European imperialism and colonialism, particularly Nazi German imperialism (conquering Ukraine was a central strategic goal of WW2), and pointing out some European hypocrisy in their reckoning of this history, and how Russia is exploiting that to pursue its own imperialist and colonialist goals.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by axegon_ »

tryauuum wrote: post #942
axegon_ wrote: post #921

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> Do you as well believe in the shadow government which controls every public figure? This is a trademark of the people who call themselves "free thinkers", or as the rest of the world commonly knows them, "tankies". I'm solely talking about the russian society: the same society that is unironically congratulating women for getting a new free coat after having their children killed. The same society that's gloating a…

all the corruption investigations his team did is a redeeming quality. No one else in russia did such thorough investigations

He had nothing to do with the investigations, he just made a youtube video about them. Join any OSINT initiative and you'll see that he brought absolutely nothing to the table - all his vlog did was to show things that were known for decades. More importantly all that "investigation"/vlog did was to outrage the non-russians. There are plenty of interviews with average russians who openly say "well yeah, of course putin has big and expensive mansions - he deserves them". And you can clearly see they truly mean what they say.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

verteu wrote: post #895
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #765

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The article link was cut somehow, here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/01/we-need-h... The picture link expired, here's a new one: https://ibb.co/mTNsF7n

The link was abbreviated when you copy-pasted your previous downvoted comment verbatim.

Oh that makes sense, I always repost flagged comments since flagging is abused so often that it has become a joke.

No actual moderator has ever complained of it with me, so that means it's just groups of highly biased users who can't stand what I have to say.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

verteu wrote: post #861
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #528

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Obviously the "embezzlement" was a sham charge by the Kremlin: > The court did not explain why the trial would be held in prison and failed to explain how witnesses, journalists or Navalny’s defence team could attend the heavily restricted facility. > Navalny is currently serving a two-and-a-half-year sentence on trumped-up, politically-motivated charges, which the European Court of Human Rights has described as “arb…

Wether that's true or not (given his ideological leanings there would be nothing surprising if he was corrupted), he still was a fascist and a racist.

Hardly the symbol of democracy that western liberals are struggling to make him to be.

BTW don't you find it curious how his "wife" was already at the munich security conference, ready to give a speech to the world just few hours after his death?

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Post by lifestyleguru »

kmac_ wrote: post #120
lifestyleguru wrote: post #111

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Interesting statement. Sources please.

If I had insight into confidential information, I would be busy commuting between my real estate in Spain, Switzerland, and Dubai, instead of arguing with you.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lifestyleguru »

ioblomov wrote: post #481
putna wrote: post #280

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sorry, but that is nothing for rusland. 1 person is worth 3 drones - so about $800. The amount of gas/oil they sell per day can continue the war indefinetely.

Agreed. People forget that both Napoleon and Hitler lost largely because of the sacrifice of Russian lives.

"you are grossly underestimating sacrifice in lives of our humans we are willing to make"

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Post by actionfromafar »

xdennis wrote: post #905
axegon_ wrote: post #429

I love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down…

He was a realist and tailored his positions to appeal to the Russian mentality in the hopes of changing it from within. If he really wanted "personal gains" he wouldn't have gone back to Russia.

Now, we will never know, but historically, most people with such an outset emerge changed once at the top.
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