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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by verteu »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #528

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Obviously the "embezzlement" was a sham charge by the Kremlin:

> The court did not explain why the trial would be held in prison and failed to explain how witnesses, journalists or Navalny’s defence team could attend the heavily restricted facility.

> Navalny is currently serving a two-and-a-half-year sentence on trumped-up, politically-motivated charges, which the European Court of Human Rights has described as “arbitrary and manifestly unreasonable”

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/russia-navalny-fac...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60832310

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by breather »

ncr100 wrote: post #732
SEJeff wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

This all may be true, but he still has a track record as an expansionist, as nationalist, as islamophobic, and as ethno-nationalist. He may not have presented much of a change in Russia's behavior the way the western press has implied he might have.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mlindner »

ako wrote: post #712
stcroixx wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

Isnt the US depending on china for production just as much as Europe is depending on Russia for gas.

Almost all of Europe’s fossil fuels came from Russia whereas China is not even the largest trade partner of the US. Also energy dependence is much harder to get off of than production dependence.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tryauuum »

Clubber wrote: post #38

People calling for the US to do more against Russia, be careful what you wish for. You have no idea how close the US is to a draft. The US has been woefully low at filling military recruiting quotas. Keep in mind both presidents during WWI and WWII campaigned to keep us out of those wars. Any major conflict like that will most certainly require a draft. Better keep your saber rattling to a minimum. Though the percent…

I don't know much about the US but I assumed you don't have draft since the Vietnam war? And this is why USA army has to actually produce cool ads as opposed to Russian army who just takes people.

Are you suspecting that the law would be changed to enable draft? Or maybe I'm confusing draft and conscription, are those different?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by bvrmn »

culebron21 wrote: post #447
bvrmn wrote: post #257

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> In the eyes of Russian public opinion, a politician who fled abroad - opposition or not - is not a politician anymore Public gives no shit where politician sits unless they have influence on politics.

I confirm the previous poster: in the eyes of even oppositional public those who fled loose credibility -- at least that they can't call people to the streets under SWAT batons; and also living abroad they lose sense of what matters and events are important.

It could be an argument, but no politician inside Russia call people to the streets either. Navalny abroad had more influence than all other opposition personas in sum.

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Post by tryauuum »

eveningsteps wrote: post #681
obscurette wrote: post #657

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Navalny was a russian chovinist, but it's nothing special for russians unfortunately. I don't know what video you mean, but I guess it's from times when Navalny ran campaign for major of Moscow – it was quite popular position back then. But his positions softened a lot since then.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg

I wish we had more guns in Russia. Then the war wouldn't have happened -- how could you conscript a person if you know he can shoot you the moment you come for him?

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Post by surfingdino »

jacquesm wrote: post #786
surfingdino wrote: post #783

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Not deciding, but being told to do so by Germany who is infiltrated by Russians at every level of government, industry, and media. Allowing Germany to unify and giving the keys to the future of Europe to Germany was the biggest mistake the USA and Britain made after 1989.

The same move could have had a completely different outcome so it is hard to lay the blame with the USA and Britain. A unified Germany unlocked Poland and the Baltics as well as the Balkans, Romania and even Bulgaria. It did not work out quite as planned because Putin went mad but it could have worked if Russia focused on creation rather than destruction for a while. But with people that power hungry ratio goes right…

Nothing will go "as planned" in that part of the world for as long as individual states like Germany will be signing agreements with Russia without consultation or participation of the Eastern European states. The problem of Western Europe is that they look at Eastern European countries as "lesser", former dependencies and haven't accepted them as equal partners.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

stcroixx wrote: post #717
ako wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt the US depending on china for production just as much as Europe is depending on Russia for gas.

Yes and I'm dead set against it. When that blows up in our face we deserve it for allowing it to happen. The best we can hope for is China ruins their own economy rendering them impotent.

Don't hope too much for that. Authoritarian regimes with collapsing economies often find war a useful distraction for their populations. China could do an awful lot of damage on the way down.
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