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It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by gizmo »

throwaway49849 wrote: post #5

The creation of the Vision Pro, and now this direct assault on the open web, makes me believe that Apple is no longer has the vision to lead the industry effectively. It's a shame because it has enormous momentum behind it, which means every bad decision, like this one, will be felt be millions of people for years.

Apple is a 3 trillion business that is out of growth drivers. They will need to squeeze more money out of everybody in the ecosystem to appease wall street. Or launch a new 500bn product line but I don’t think they have anything big in the pipeline.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

pas wrote: post #7
throwaway49849 wrote: post #5

The creation of the Vision Pro, and now this direct assault on the open web, makes me believe that Apple is no longer has the vision to lead the industry effectively. It's a shame because it has enormous momentum behind it, which means every bad decision, like this one, will be felt be millions of people for years.

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

spending 10s of billions of R&D towards a closed off walled garden for consuming Apple services.

afaik you cant even order AVP without an iPhone.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by throwaway49849 »

pas wrote: post #7
throwaway49849 wrote: post #5

The creation of the Vision Pro, and now this direct assault on the open web, makes me believe that Apple is no longer has the vision to lead the industry effectively. It's a shame because it has enormous momentum behind it, which means every bad decision, like this one, will be felt be millions of people for years.

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

The AVP is one of the most out of touch products I've ever seen from a respected brand, and I can almost hear Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him. Not to mention, it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech. The fact that it got made and is being pushed so hard as the next step in computing, is bonkers.

So to me, it contributes because it is another data point that the leadership has compromised its ability to consistently make forward thinking decisions.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by stephenr »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #11

This is criminal. After decades I finally had the ability to develop for iOS without a Mac and a yearly $99 fee - only for it to be crippled again?

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call a web app "develop[ed] for iOS"

The whole point of the web is that it is cross platform. That isn't a negative thing it's a positive, but calling it "develop for iOS" is arguably disingenuous.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by anon373839 »

troupo wrote: post #20
Nursie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC In the EU apple may be forced to open up iOS to other browsers, including PWA using non-safari engines. Not sure why this is such a threat. I’m torn on this whole issue. I both enjoy my walled garden and want full-fat Firefox on iOS.

It's unfortunate that the whole discourse is about one of the worst imaginable outcomes: replacing apps with shitty slow bloated underperforming web apps. That is, the discourse is valid, and Apple is to blame. But why did it have to be around PWAs of all things?

Web apps aren’t inherently slow, bloated or underperforming. You can absolutely build a snappy, polished web app with a UI layer that rivals a native app.

(I don’t personally enjoy working with JavaScript, but the reward of truly cross-platform development makes it worth doing when it’s a viable option.)

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by szasamasa »

threeseed wrote: post #6

Any chance we can get the original title which doesn't sound so childish: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU And if PWA were such a threat to Apple's business then why are they allowed in US.

no chance and it is not childish but the truth

in the US there are no alternative browser engines to webkit and the control of web capabilities is exercised through webkit, in the eu it is no longer possible and the control is planned to be exercised via iOS

if the profit threat is not there, why not allow web capabilities in competing browsers? Apple could even claim if iPhone got compromised via Firefox or Chrome that they told you so from the very beginning, on your next iPhone you would just use Safari...

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by threeseed »

throwaway49849 wrote: post #23
pas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

The AVP is one of the most out of touch products I've ever seen from a respected brand, and I can almost hear Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him. Not to mention, it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech. The fact that it got made and is being pushed so hard as the next step in computing, is bonkers. So to me, it contributes because it is another data…

> Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him

Vision Pro patent from 2007 when Steve Jobs was still CEO:

https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1753076050643575230

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by bsenftner »

I was an original Mac OS Developer, and way back then I saw that Apple wanted to create monopoly and deeply hates any developer not on their payroll whose output they own. As a result, I have never published Apple software. It is not worth it, never has been worth it.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by rambambram »

duiker101 wrote: post #16

Did anyone actually ever put web apps on their home screen?

Definitely, but only the simple web apps (like an icon that links to an url in the browser) that aren't affected by Apple's changes, so no notifications and stuff because it wasn't a PWA. It was a nice experience. I had a fast hosting provider and it worked seamless.

Right now I use Android on a cheap Samsung and loading webpages takes ages with Firefox. I don't think Google goes freely in killing the web, but we already knew that.

Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU

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Post by vdaea »

throwaway49849 wrote: post #23
pas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you please elaborate on how/what the Vision Pro contributes to this problem?

The AVP is one of the most out of touch products I've ever seen from a respected brand, and I can almost hear Steve Job's scathing criticisms of it, based on everything I know about him. Not to mention, it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech. The fact that it got made and is being pushed so hard as the next step in computing, is bonkers. So to me, it contributes because it is another data…

>it goes against the increasing trend of less screens and less tech

Where are you seeing this "increasing trend"?

Also, how should a tech company that makes money from selling gadgets react to this purported trend? Start selling chairs?

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