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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ryloric »

axegon_ wrote: post #429

I love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down…

I always wondered if he went back because he hoped to use his popularity after surviving the poisoning attempt to stir up enough chaos and somehow get into power. He probably felt if he even had a 5% chance he had to take it. Him being a narcissistic opportunistic politician makes a lot more sense to me than some heroic figure who risked his life for the Russian people.

American news media is all about the narratives and they love heroes and martyrs. I imagine in the next couple of weeks this guy will be turned into the Russian MLK of some kind, some comment here already made the comparison. It's just unreal how blatantly manipulative the whole thing is.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Rapzid »

za3faran wrote: post #661
cglace wrote: post #144

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The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

> and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault Genuine question as someone who has no connection to either government of the Russia-Ukraine war: didn't the US push Ukraine into not accepting terms with Russia, under the promise that it would support Ukraine in case of war? In other words, it pushed Ukraine into the war, using it as a proxy to fight Russia.

Setting aside the fact that this is false, it's a weird claim that the USA pushed Ukraine into the war..

Pushed them into the war. Wasn't Ukraine invaded, unprovoked by any real violence or imminent threat, by Russia?

Pushed them into war. That's like blaming the victim and then blaming the friend for not telling them to cover up.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by orangesite »

replwoacause wrote: post #824
orangesite wrote: post #560

Tucker Carlson killed Alexei Navalny. Edit: Practice systemic awareness. This was not a throwaway comment.

I hate Tucker Carlson and don’t watch his bloviations, so can someone tell me what this means?

It's illuminating to listen to how a Russian saw that interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-iXSPZi_Q

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by throwaway290 »

wruza wrote: post #656
throwaway290 wrote: post #309

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this is FUD. Inventing another candidate while already sitting on already existing lists of tons of Navalny supporters? supporters to whom nothing happened through all that time? doesn't pass the smell check

There are tons of Navalny non-supporters who are latently opposed. Personally I'd say that they are actually more dangerous to the regime due to the stratum they represent. You just don't hear it on the internet because they are older and have shit to lose. Alexey was a youth's idol, not adults'. Many people never considered him a good politician, if mediocre. Maybe that other person wasn't "invented", but they defin…

I don't get, most who could get trapped by signing/donating to the new guy could already be via donating/signing for Navalny. Years passed and nothing

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by walteweiss »

nuker wrote: post #876
mynameisnoone wrote: post #642

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Yes. Unfortunately, he miscalculated and threw his life away by failing to appreciate the conditions. Similar to standing in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square, this was and now proved to be a ineffective and futile act in a country whose populace refuses to stand up to Putin, oppression, or corruption. It's likely Putin will continue to be the de facto "elected" dictator of Russia until he dies and his oligarch pal…

> The Russian people lack the will, organization, and moral courage to overthrow their klepto-plutocrat dictator. They lack secure communication tools in the first place. I believe Telegram is backdoored by FSB and Whatsapp just bent over without fight.

To Russians, it’s always someone else who is responsible. The will, organisation, and moral courage come first. Lack of secure communication comes after that.

If Russians had any of that, they won’t even need the communication means in the first place, to overthrow their dictator. When there’s a mass of people enough to fight the regime, the regime won’t even fight. They only fight the battles they believe they can easily win.

The truth is, Russians are, en masse, don’t care or even support all that. Those folks aren’t on Hacker News, they aren’t in any English-speaking communities as well. They barely speak even their own (complicated enough) language.

The so-called ‘liberal’ Russians try to persuade us that Russians en-masse don’t support all that, ’Putin’s war‘ they say [1], etc. But there are literally hundreds of thousands of Russian fight against Ukraine right now, and there are 400,000 dead [2]. They are Russians, aren’t they? Russians have the very long history of wars they started on their neighbours.

Is it Telegram being (possibly) backdoored or lack of Signal being too popular among Russians that stops them from growing in-house dictators and other murderers?

[1] As a very simple illustration, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39395697

[2] You may need a translator for this, casualties is the first number: https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/02/16/za-dobu-sili-oboroni-...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by walteweiss »

protomolecule wrote: post #469
neom wrote: post #192

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Fan fiction, but: Civil wars might do it, the Russians need to overthrow Putin, Xi in China, and we need to elect peace hawks in places that have democracy. People would have to really really really really not want a word war. On the history part, I have no clue, but I do know that today the citizenry is more connected and able to strategize for ourselfs than at any point in history before.

"the Russians need to overthrow Putin, Xi in China, and we need to elect peace hawks in places that have democracy." We overthrew communists in 1991, USSR crumbled, in 1992 Pentagon declared that America's "first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival" [0] and 17 years later NATO, after multiple rounds of expansion, announced that it would expand into Georgia and the Ukraine [1] despite all the promi…

If you ever read ‘NATO Expanded’ it’s a Russian narrative. NATO never expanded, its members ask to join NATO because they don’t want their sovereign states to be occupied by barbarians as it happened with Ukraine’s east. Or they don’t want to be just bombed, as it happened with basically every place in Ukraine.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by wolverine876 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #885
lordfrito wrote: post #847

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> As many in the West disparage or undermine those values, they are doing the work of Putin and Xi (at times, I'm sure, led by their disinformation campaigns). I don't have evidence, but my gut says that's not by accident. This slippery slope we've been heading down for the last few decades (no more right and wrong, all values are equal, anyone who says otherwise is a problem/oppressor/colonizer) look to me like a we…

> no more right and wrong, all values are equal, anyone who says otherwise is a problem/oppressor/colonizer But that whole view is self-contradictory. If all values are equal, what's wrong with being an oppressor or colonizer? By calling people oppressors and colonizers, they are saying that some things are wrong. Their position destroys itself.

Or you misunderstand their position. Taking someone's argument to a logical extreme and calling them hypocrites is about a rhetorical game, not about meaning and truth.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by holoduke »

gpvos wrote: post #850
holoduke wrote: post #777

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The history of both nations is hugely different. I would recommend this lecture series by Timothy Snyder to enlighten you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz... Yes, there are lots of family and friendship ties between the countries. It's sad that Putin has destroyed any chance of good relationships in the future, and basically solidified Ukraine as a nation in opposition to his aggression.

I lived in Ukraine and when you cross the border between Russia and Ukraine you will notice absolutely no difference. Everything is the same. People, infra, houses, food. Only the language is different.
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