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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by axegon_ »

tryauuum wrote: post #858
axegon_ wrote: post #429

I love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down…

> Assuming there is such a thing as opposition in Russia Oh, that reminds me about people in russian internet who said that Navalny was managed from Kremlin. They kept saying this even when he went to prison. Do you as well believe in the shadow government which controls every public figure?

> Do you as well believe in the shadow government which controls every public figure?

This is a trademark of the people who call themselves "free thinkers", or as the rest of the world commonly knows them, "tankies". I'm solely talking about the russian society: the same society that is unironically congratulating women for getting a new free coat after having their children killed. The same society that's gloating about 4 year old girls having their legs blown off by their rockets. The same society that left their country by the millions in recent years, not because they are against what they country is doing(and had been doing for centuries btw), but because they personally don't want to be sent to the front lines. Navalny was no different and you can easily confirm all that for yourself if you spend 5 minutes googling. Was he managed by the kremlin - unlikely. He just wished to be the next dictator and get his own mansions filled with golden toilets. Had he managed to achieve it though, nothing would have changed but the face of the operation. Navalny had 0 redeeming qualities.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ekabod »

stcroixx wrote: post #474
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

France has done nothing of what you said.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by surge123 »

SEJeff wrote: post #791
ncr100 wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

Navalny has always been a supporter of a concept referred to as "Russkiy Mir"[1] and has spoke at length about it. It is a weird ethno religious philosophy which shows the bounds of the russian country extend far past the borders of teh russian federation. The closest I can easily describe it is as a weird western version of jihad where they want to assume all other cultures and erase them in favor of expansion of th…

Note that Russia has forcibly killed or deported many/most ethnic Tatar peoples and native Ukrainians from Crimea. — where is the reference for that please? I am from Crimea and have both Russian and Ukrainian friends there, I have never heard of anything like that happening.

Agreed with most of your points on Navalny though.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by stephenitis »

arp242 wrote: post #504
rubytubido wrote: post #286

Really sad news. But if you really think that he was killed - why now? He was "under control" in a prison for multiple years, so why kill him now? It worsens Russia's public image even more My assumptions: 1) He was killed, but why now? 2) He died because Russians' prison has a really bad conditions of detention - so his health was declining over time

It's not my impression that Putin overly cares about Russia's public image abroad. And plausibility seems a good reason for "why now". You need to be very naïve to not strongly suspect foul play here, or in other cases of people falling out windows and whatnot, but you can also never be quite sure. Not really. So there is at least some plausibility that it was "just" an accident, or "just" illness, at least when tryi…

They cared enough to cheat every Olympics systematically

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by arctac »

avmich wrote: post #624

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

He was more like MAGA and Julian Assange combined. Nationalism is very strong in post-Soviet Russia and Putin managed to destroy most of the major groups over the years, they are underground now. Putin was good for the US for this reason alone but not anymore.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Rapzid »

JohnBooty wrote: post #133
ivan_gammel wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the Biden‘s red line, just like Syria was the red line for Obama. In 2021 he promised dangerous consequences for Russia if Navalny dies.

I'm not sure this situation is comparable because the US is already fighting a proxy war including economic sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, with US materiel and funds directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers. Pentagon estimates 300,000 Russian casualties so far. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/russia-invas... In concrete terms what would you suggest the US d…

We are not fighting a proxy war with Russia. That term is thrown around too loosely.

Ukraine and Russia are at war.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ryloric »

danielovichdk wrote: post #499
kulikalov wrote: post #378

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed…

Russia’s murder rate is one of the highest in the world, up there with Jamaica’s. Eighty-three percent of murderers and more than 60 percent of murder victims were slobbering drunk during the deed. A typical drunken murder story goes something like this: Two middle-aged male friends meet, go back to A’s apartment, and pound four or five bottles of cheap vodka over a two-day binge. A passes out drunk; B stumbles away,…

I can't believe how unrealistic, yet totally plausible that sounds.

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Post by silexia »

mihaaly wrote: post #319
isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

I feel it worths noting that the meaning of the word 'legal' is different for ears of western than some eastern nations. It may be inaccurate to describe for western minds what actualy is happening there as legality and law is an instrument of the ruling party for the benefit of the ruling party not some independent supervising power for the goodwill of all. I feel using the English word 'legal' is completely inaccur…

Did you see the legal attacks on Trump? The USA is headed the same direction unfortunately.

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

alkonaut wrote: post #428
isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

Putin usually had faked opposition, and even some illusion of election monitoring. This time around it seems there will be no illusion of having elections at all since there will be no international monitoring and seemingly not even a pretend opposition. But I guess why would he pretend to have democracy? The Russians certainly don't buy it, and the countries that might care have already cut all ties. I wonder why he…

For his underlings, so that they think that the regime is based on his personal legitimacy and control, and also as a loyalty test.

If he wouldn't be able to regularly display that he has control over the country, it'll be easier for some opportunistic group to organize a coup..

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

culebron21 wrote: post #697
mihaaly wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "calling them weak, docile, etc." - I'm not aware of this going on in any meaningful scale. That is a shame because they actually are. I feel the same coward and pity venal attitude with the Hungarian people - being a soulmate of Russians in this regard - whom I grown up with. They would be very vocal about being proud and brave but the actions only show shortsighted submissive conformity to ruthless tyrants for pi…

At first I wanted to argue with your point (suggesting that the elites are to blame much more than ordinary folks) but thinking more, I just want to correct. Submissiveness that you mention implies that people understand their interests, what's just (in broad sense), and just don't want to act. And we expect that finally they'll wake up and rebel. I also went to street protests in 2021 when Navalny was enjailed, expe…

> Putin has no broad support

Putin's support is so broad that he never dared to prove it with some real elections. But for some reason he only competes with candidates who were hand-picked by his administration and posses a very questionable reputation. And even against them he resorts to cheating and adding himself votes via various tricks. Broad support, right.

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