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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by wkat4242 »

stcroixx wrote: post #474
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

The US for all their huge defense spending has been involved in a lot more wars than the EU.

So defense spending as prevention of war isn't really a thing either. Nor is winning them (forget Afghanistan?)

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nec4b »

wolverine876 wrote: post #733
nonethewiser wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed? Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable.

> Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable. As a rule of life, that's a pretty bad idea. I don't avoid conflict with family, friends, neighbors, coworkers by being scary. In international relations, it's by far more effective to be agreeable. Alliances are far more stable than competitive balance between 'scary' countries. Look at the EU; look at Korea - which relationships are more stable, the scar…

>> As a rule of life, that's a pretty bad idea. I don't avoid conflict with family, friends, neighbors, coworkers by being scary.

Are they trying to conquer and kill you? If not, your analogy doesn't hold.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by meitham »

Wasn’t he considered a nazi before the Ukraine war? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084 Suddenly all the enemies of Putin are the good guys, even Yevgeny Prigozhin somehow turned into a hero in his last few days when he turned against Putin. And then we have US citizens dying in Ukraine prisons for publishing videos on YouTube that tells different story to the war in Ukraine, such as Gonzalo Lira without any notice in the western media!

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by EasyMark »

empath-nirvana wrote: post #375
jacquesm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other ways short of military intervention that can be quite effective.

Like cutting them off from the world financial system and seizing all their assets? Already done.

western countries maybe india, china, middle east, and turkey are still all in on russia

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by dralley »

marttt wrote: post #736

A historian and renowned Russia expert in my country (Estonia) commented that this was probably bad timing for Putin. Now, as a martyr, Navalnyi is much more of a disturbance to Putin's regimen than he would have been as an isolated opposition leader serving a 19-year prison sentence, which rendered him not a direct threat to Putin. Like the expert put it: as a political prisoner, Navalnyi was already simply forgotte…

Judging by Putin's mood this morning, he doesn't think or particularly care that it's bad timing.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by _diyar »

acuozzo wrote: post #511
amai wrote: post #406

A 47 year old man killed by the 72 year old president. Nothing shows the conflict of generations in Russia better than this. The old farts of Russia/Soviet Union are killing the younger generation and by that are killing Russias future. For what, grandpa? For what?

What future? Between the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s and the collapse of the USSR, Russia has only a few generations left before experiencing demographic collapse. There simply aren't enough young men there to keep the Russian population growing and the population there doesn't value diversity enough to consider producing more Russian children with immigrants. This is what many believe (e.g., Peter Zeihan) to be…

> This is what many believe (e.g., Peter Zeihan) to be the real reason behind the invasion of Ukraine.

This does not make any sense. Banning birth-control would be the most cost-effective way to increase the birth-rate, stronger social programs being a strong second.

Much of what I've heard from Zeihan sound memey – like camp-fire stories or what your older brothers friends would tell you – without anything meaningful to back it up.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by replwoacause »

rubytubido wrote: post #286

Really sad news. But if you really think that he was killed - why now? He was "under control" in a prison for multiple years, so why kill him now? It worsens Russia's public image even more My assumptions: 1) He was killed, but why now? 2) He died because Russians' prison has a really bad conditions of detention - so his health was declining over time

Perhaps because he was more of a focal point before, with that Netflix documentary, and they were waiting for him to exit the public consciousness, or at least have his prominence fade, before killing him. If they would have killed him at the peak of his popularity that would have invited more action from the rest of the world. Just speculating…

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by endigma »

endigma wrote: post #626

Its funny to me that with the current state of Russia this guy could have died with absolutely zero interference from the state and the rest of the world will assume he was killed no matter what comes out of Russian media, purely due to their track record with this sort of thing.

Not sure why I'm being downvoted, I'm not trying to suggest that this death isn't suspicious, just commenting that even if it wasn't people wouldn't believe the Russians due to how often this happens.
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