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Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by erkt »

joakleaf wrote: post #185
cglace wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

That is Europe vs the US. Europe has almost 800million people, US less than 350million. On a per capital basis the average American has outspent the average European by a significant margin.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by SXX »

Muehe wrote: post #344
SXX wrote: post #83

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> What do you want to world to do? Support Ukraine more. Support refugees from Russia. Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

> And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU. Collective punishment is still a war crime.

It's not like west suppose to kill or inprison them. Just go after their finances and throughfully check their source of wealth. Lots of lots of people who are close to Putins regime continue to live in a west and spend money they get out of Russia.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by CrazyStat »

yakito wrote: post #352
joakleaf wrote: post #185

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Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

does anyone know how much Russia has spent so far in the war?

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Do you always write like this? It reads like something from the 19th century.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by maratc »

barelyauser wrote: post #349
maratc wrote: post #276

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He answered that question: "I have my country and I have my principles, and I'm not willing to give up either."

Dying like that seems like a computer who can't avoid but to crash when it hits a single wrong bit on an ocean of memory. Why? Why choose rigid principles that might lead you straight to doom? Why people think this is honorable? His enemy lost nothing, and the allies left behind have to fight with less men.

I'm not advocating for what Navalny did, just explaining his point of view, according to which if you're not ready to die for your principles then you have no principles — just opinions. Again: his words, not mine.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by empath-nirvana »

jacquesm wrote: post #73
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #43

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It's hard to think of any military intervention in the last 60 years by US and their friends that left the region or country in a better state, Asia, South-America, Africa, Middle-east it all became big mess. Arguable some of that mess was by design, but not all. Russia is not something anyone can solve from the outside; they have to figure it out themselves. Same for the Europe & the US, there are enough things to f…

There are other ways short of military intervention that can be quite effective.

Like cutting them off from the world financial system and seizing all their assets? Already done.

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Post by empath-nirvana »

belter wrote: post #97
profunctor wrote: post #6

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What do you want to world to do? Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions and many countries are funding + arming its opponent in a war.

> Russia is already under increasingly crippling sanctions You are surely joking... "IMF raises Russia growth outlook as war boosts economy - New 2024 forecast of 2.6% rise doubles previous prediction and prompts questions over sanctions against Moscow" - https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf9370931...

A) Russia is large enough that it doesn't really need foreign trade to have an economy B) We -- ie "the west" have no control over what India and China does wrt russia. If they keep buying Russian oil, we can't stop them.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by flanked-evergl »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #345
flanked-evergl wrote: post #174

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> US has relevant party that is now openly pro-Putin What relevant party in the US is openly pro-Putin?

The MAGA subgroup of Republicans: https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/ Tucker Carlson is on there too, he's now a full time Russia shill.

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Post by kulikalov »

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible.

How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this?

I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed, because his dad is a policeman. No one spoke up. Everyone just accepted it, as they always do. When he grew up he became a policeman. It's not even the most screwed up story that I witnessed. This is beyond fucked up.

It's a case of mass inheritable PTSD. All males I knew in my family tree were violent drunks, all females were bitten up housewives. This place is surreal and should not exist. And my family was somewhat functional compared to some neighbours.

I abandoned everything there and got out as soon as I could make any money. I wish every person capable of critical thinking just leave this dreadful place and let it descend to the middle ages.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by aerique »

picadores wrote: post #297
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

It fits very well into the narrative that democracy is ineffective and basically a hot-house flower, that some culprits propell.

Yes, as long as said autocrats spent billions to undermine it ;-)

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Post by selimthegrim »

jncfhnb wrote: post #328
TomK32 wrote: post #188

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Surely not the last opposition figure and Russia will run out of manpower as every attacker has a higher loss than the defender. You forget Lukashenko, he wasn't unwilling to let Belarus join the Russian Federation for no reason. As soon as Putin dies for whatever reason, Lukashenko will be the first to race to the Kremlin and take over. Personally I have great hopes that an outsider like Kasparov could become Presid…

Lukashenko taking over Russia is the funniest take I’ve heard about him

Remember at the time his competition was Yeltsin
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