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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

zer00eyz wrote: post #238
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

Total aid, yes. Military spending no. In fact this war has highlighted that NO ONE was ready for the fight that came about. Skip the money for a moment. Ukraine right now is marginally fucked for one reason: 155mm artillery shells. There isnt enough global production to have a war. The US is far and away the largest producer. EU can not keep up and did not bring on anywhere near enough capacity to defend itself in a…

Artillery shells are but one tool though, which for some reason has become the main tool (? citation needed) in the Ukraine war; I would expect more air force being put in play if the conflict escalated into the rest of europe.

Even though Russia has got the bigger air force on paper (https://rlist.io/l/european-countries-with-the-largest-air-f...).

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by suoduandao3 »

cglace wrote: post #144
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

Spending a lot is not a badge of honor in an asymmetric conflict. If the US was spending more efficiently than Russia the way it did in Afghanistan, this would be sending a message to the next Putin that invading one's neighbors is a losing proposition.

The US's economy suffering more than Russia's sends the opposite message.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by joakleaf »

cglace wrote: post #178
egisspegis wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin This is not true for some time now. First google result (but there are more charts, numbers and sources): https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s... Yet whoever provided more aid is irrelevant, since it's not enough anyway. We, as a world, are observing (and doing nothing, for the most part) fourth reich comin…

It looks like your charts include things like refugee aid costs, which make up a large percentage of European aid. If you remove these costs and go strictly by military support, which is what we are talking about, then my point stands.

No it does not; You said:"The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin"...

Pick "Military" only in the chart, add up the numbers of, Germany, UK, Denmark, Norway, and Netherlands, and you'll get a higher number than the US.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

lm28469 wrote: post #180
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #106

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Russia really is not to be feared. The Ukraine war is a tragedy and I hope it ends soon. But they have no economical & military power to really do any harm the Europe & the US. Putin makes a lot of noise but really can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. But the real threat is further east. China is slowly building it's empire, and it's a scary one. Taking over parts of Africa. Migrating it's people. Integrating it's t…

> can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. And the US couldn't win against a few thousand goat farmers with Ak47s, or maybe there this is a bit more complex...

The problem of Afghanistan has never been conquering it, but holding it, the Soviets ran into the same issue. Anyway, the km's really do matter, if people truly fear for a deeper invasion into Europe.

I don't think it's a convincing narrative that that's what Putin wants, and also that that's something he could reasonably accomplish. But I do hear it often as a powerful narrative to help Ukraine more, and I understand why, but from my point of view it's not very convincing.

At the same time I agree with the sentiment that heavier the losses in Ukraine, the more he will have difficulties in starting similar drama in other countries with large Russian communities.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by maratc »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #50

I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.

He answered that question: "I have my country and I have my principles, and I'm not willing to give up either."

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nkrisc »

aubanel wrote: post #25
belter wrote: post #12

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Systematically calling russian people Orcs is the worst dehumanising things to do IMO. I have nothing to do with that conflict but I don't like how confident some people are that they're on the side of the Good, thus that they could do whatever to their opponents. (Cf Kasparov who wanted to nuke Russia at the beginning of the war)

The Russian soldiers who committed the atrocities we’ve seen in Ukraine gave up their humanity.

It’s the Russian soldiers in Ukraine that I’ve seen referred to as “orcs”, due to the fact they’re a savage invading army that leaves only destruction and indiscriminate death in their wake. Look at what they did in the beginning of the invasion when they thought they would quickly win and their crimes would never be uncovered.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by KingOfCoders »

zer00eyz wrote: post #238
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

Total aid, yes. Military spending no. In fact this war has highlighted that NO ONE was ready for the fight that came about. Skip the money for a moment. Ukraine right now is marginally fucked for one reason: 155mm artillery shells. There isnt enough global production to have a war. The US is far and away the largest producer. EU can not keep up and did not bring on anywhere near enough capacity to defend itself in a…

"Military spending no."

  Country          Military 
  EU Total         49,67
  United States    42,22
  Germany          17,70
  United Kingdom   9,12
  Denmark          8,40
  Netherlands      4,44
  Norway           3,80
  Poland           3,00
And if we take % of GDP the US looks worse on military aid.

And if we take % of military budget, the US is last on the list.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by The_Colonel »

maratc wrote: post #175
mittermayr wrote: post #48

I often wonder what Russia will be like once Putin is gone. The time he has left can't be very long, so what happens then?

Once Putin is gone, someone else is going to take his place. There won't be much difference between Putin and the other guy, and that (small) difference may be for the better or it may be for the worse. Putin is not in that place because he's somehow an extremely talented (or extremely lucky) person. Putin is there because that's what most of the Russian elite wants. Once he's gone, the Russian elite will put there s…

Transition of power is notoriously difficult in authoritarian systems and Putin is more of an exception rather than a normal occurence. Only Stalin had this level of control in Russia in the past 100 years. Do you remember who came after Stalin? Georgy Malenkov, but even I had to google his name, he didn't stay there for long. Even (the better known) Khruschev wasn't a strong ruler and got ousted in a couple of years.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by putna »

cbg0 wrote: post #211
lifestyleguru wrote: post #42

Solid propaganda piece with the recent interview, now a popular opponent eliminated after long sadistic power play. Putin's Russia is consistently moving ahead, they don't seem to be losing at all.

Russia just hit 400K casualties since their invasion of Ukraine, I wouldn't call that "not losing at all".

sorry, but that is nothing for rusland. 1 person is worth 3 drones - so about $800. The amount of gas/oil they sell per day can continue the war indefinetely.
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