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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by EasyMark »

machinekob wrote: post #530
acuozzo wrote: post #511

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What future? Between the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s and the collapse of the USSR, Russia has only a few generations left before experiencing demographic collapse. There simply aren't enough young men there to keep the Russian population growing and the population there doesn't value diversity enough to consider producing more Russian children with immigrants. This is what many believe (e.g., Peter Zeihan) to be…

There is not enough Young women as MEN cant give a birth, still russian demographic looks terrible and this is very good news for all russian neighbors and EU as last imperial country in Europe will die

Seems like Putin may be trying to get rid of young men currently...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by [deleted] »

andygeorge wrote: post #720
iwontberude wrote: post #433

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Navalny was in support of Ukrainian invasion of Crimea and knew it would require a further land invasion to keep. He was just as psycho and homicidal (suicidal) as Prigozhin but refused to be under Putin’s thumb. Navalny wanted to be the #1 asshole in charge otherwise return to Russia and die in prison.

this is incorrect

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by SEJeff »

tivert wrote: post #763
ncr100 wrote: post #732

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I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

> I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. > He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing. I never followed Navalny very closely, but my understanding was he opposed Putin but he was also a Russian nationalist , so (at least pre-2022) there wasn't tons of distance between th…

Your understand is spot on. I give a few examples in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39403310

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by saiya-jin »

wolverine876 wrote: post #733
nonethewiser wrote: post #607

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> Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed? Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable.

> Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable. As a rule of life, that's a pretty bad idea. I don't avoid conflict with family, friends, neighbors, coworkers by being scary. In international relations, it's by far more effective to be agreeable. Alliances are far more stable than competitive balance between 'scary' countries. Look at the EU; look at Korea - which relationships are more stable, the scar…

Your argument falls apart since you deal with mobsters who don't respect any contract if it doesn't suit them. Remember pinky promises that they won't invade Ukraine just before they did it? If you keep stepping back to bullies, soon you are standing with ocean behind your back. And if you don't think russians would love ruling as much Europe as they can grab, you haven't been listening to them a single bit for past 2 decades, their ego is gigantic. We've been there for 40 years not so long ago, but maybe you weren't born yet to recall these times.

Also, this is how russia was defeated - mix of US being simply too strong and one sane russian leader who realized how bad this is (Gorbachev, he is deeply hated by all russian elites who now try to bring good ol' times back).

What you propose is a position of weakness, that leaders of russia see as a sign of weakness and will act accordingly.

I just wish all these naive commenters would spend a decade living in russia to understand what we're actually dealing with and what kind of conflict is inevitably coming to the western Europe.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by dralley »

lawn wrote: post #191
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

He never represented any real hope for regime change. He was just a useful figurehead to attract sympathies from the west, but he never posed any threat to Putin and even if he somehow got into power he would do nothing to change Russia for the better. He died (was killed) because he no longer served a purpose for Putin.

Be that as it may, he wasn't controlled opposition.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by beefield »

christkv wrote: post #729
ethanbond wrote: post #655

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The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

I don’t think there is proof for that at all. It’s more likely due to the countries all being democracies

This. Amartya Sen has claimed that two actual democracies have never been at war between each other. At least I find hard to find significant counterexamples in history. (Not sure about the Falkland war. And I think Finland was technically at war with UK in the second world war)

I think the democratic and developed countries need to change their game plan pretty soon. The countries that are willing to join the club should be offered actual help to develop. By actual help I mean trade treaties that are designed to benefit those countries, not developed countries. Includes IP vaiwers, duties that protect local industries etc.

The countries that do not want to join, (including China and Orban's Hungary) then again, should be punished in all ways possible. Massive duties to commodities and other products imported from those countries, as a starter.

Open democracies do not need to be nice guys if they are threatened. Must not be, to be more precise. See Popper and paradox of tolerance.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by SEJeff »

attentive wrote: post #794
holoduke wrote: post #777

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"some language differences", my god.

To him this is likely "a mild disagreement" as ukrainian civilians are being actively targeted by Russian missiles. Quite a tone deaf and horrible point of view.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by iwontberude »

andygeorge wrote: post #720
iwontberude wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalny was in support of Ukrainian invasion of Crimea and knew it would require a further land invasion to keep. He was just as psycho and homicidal (suicidal) as Prigozhin but refused to be under Putin’s thumb. Navalny wanted to be the #1 asshole in charge otherwise return to Russia and die in prison.

this is incorrect

Okay, I am wrong then. Glad you set the record straight.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by [deleted] »

kulikalov wrote: post #378

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by saiya-jin »

jszymborski wrote: post #680
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #602

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He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.

I can assure you I will never forget the name. Not all bravery is stupid. When people point to so-called inevitabilities of human character, as Putin and his ilk often do, I'll recall Navalny's name. I'll also recall the victories that were only possible thanks to people of similar courage. Things looked as helpess for Václav Havel, but without him we wouldn't have had the Velvet Revolution. I remember their names.

Imagine what these people could have done if they weren't at this point... just names that few, even of many few will remember. Ask the same question in a decade.
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