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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by untech »

bitcharmer wrote: post #572

As someone born and raised in Poland I can tell you that the Russians are universally hated by other Slavs. We get along with Lithuanians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Chechs, Slovaks, basically everyone except the Russians. The sentiment is widespread across central Europe. You can call it racism or xenophobia, I don't care. Putin is not one person, there's a whole nation behind him. Most people online seem to forget th…

1. That’s not a very nice thing to say. Raised in Russia, I know that there are some people who hate Poles, however, all these haters are backwards and anti-progressive in general.

2. Lithuanians are not Slavs.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

cyrillite wrote: post #500
aerique wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood why he went back to Russia.

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West.

Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name.

Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

> Europe will lose some territory

To be fair it never had that territory in the first place. Prior to 2014 Ukraine was clearly under Russian influence and Western Europeans countries never had any serious thoughts about somehow “taking it over” (despite what putin & al. are saying )

> gain it's own military security

I’m really not sure most Europeans countries (besides those that are very close to Russia like Poland, the Baltics, Finland etc.) are that keen about massively increasing their military spending. Certainly not even close to what US is currently providing.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by TomK32 »

jncfhnb wrote: post #328
TomK32 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely not the last opposition figure and Russia will run out of manpower as every attacker has a higher loss than the defender. You forget Lukashenko, he wasn't unwilling to let Belarus join the Russian Federation for no reason. As soon as Putin dies for whatever reason, Lukashenko will be the first to race to the Kremlin and take over. Personally I have great hopes that an outsider like Kasparov could become Presid…

Lukashenko taking over Russia is the funniest take I’ve heard about him

Sure sounds funny but here's a few things:

  * Lukashenko is president since the post was created, his position is quite solid and will be useful when Putin's time is over.
  * just two years into his presidency he signed a Union treaty with Russia, then still ruled by Yeltsin. Russia always understood that treaty as Belarus becoming part of Russia, something Putin is very keen on, extending Russia by force has happened more than once since 2000 but Belarus joining peacefully would push Putin's popularity. Lukashenko again and again promised things like introducing a common currency by 2004, 2005, 2006 and "maybe" 2007. Didn't happen. For Lukashenko it's a carrot he dangles in front of Putin.
  * Belarus didn't join the war against Ukraine, and Lukashenko profited a lot when he got Wagner to stop their rebellion.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

sumedh wrote: post #36

His death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.

Yes. And now he is dead and will be forgotten in a week.

As I mentioned earlier - does anyone remember the guy who flew over Belarus and had his plane redirected to the capital, and he was seized there. He also was a protester, now forgotten. I do not even remember his name and never heard of him since then.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by kikimora »

avodonosov wrote: post #543
kulikalov wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It happened 15 years ago. Half of the town knew that, all the police knew that. In fact the police tortures people themselves, it's not news for them. This thread is in the midst of discussion of a public person tortured for 3 years and murdered and the whole country knows that. What authorities are you talking about? It's criminals upon criminals.

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I don’t see a calculated decision to not intervene would demonstrate lack of critical thinking.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nonethewiser »

kemotep wrote: post #147
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

How do you propose the west avoids conflict with Russia and China? Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed?

> Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed?

Generally you avoid conflict by being scary, not agreeable.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lijok »

aerique wrote: post #385
telesilla wrote: post #35

The 2022 documentary 'Navalny' is important and explains how the anti-corruption campaigner got to that terrible place, being poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent and still deciding to go back to Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_(film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_HsKCWEHw (trailer)

I never understood why he went back to Russia.

The reason most people have even heard of Navalny is because he went back to Russia. That move is what caused the western media to pick up the story and run it on the news for months on end. The imagery it produced, videos of him leaving the plane, saying goodbye to his wife, getting arrested, standing trial, were what catapulted the wests exposure to the opposition movement in Russia. It was an incredibly well played calculated move that unfortunately did not pay off because that coward Putin has his finger on the mobile oppression palace 24/7.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nonethewiser »

neuronic wrote: post #158
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

Listen to internal speeches by Putin or Xi, they are often available on YouTube. We are not slowly sliding towards a world conflict, it has already begun and we are hopeless to stop it. It is arrogant to ignore or dismiss the happenings. Things were set in motion years ago and they are slowly unraveling. When the West rejected Russia's deeper integration into its structures after the Cold War ended and expanded NATO…

Sadly I think you’re right about NATO expansion. I think a hot war with Russia was always on the table with NATO expansion. You either have to be willing to fight it to defend the expansion or you’re going to cede something to Russia when they push back.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by senderista »

If you think Navalny was anything but a Russian nationalist, or that he would have acted differently than Putin on e.g. returning Crimea to Ukraine[0], try learning more about him.

Also, Reuters is really showing its bias here by incessantly referring to Putin as "the former KGB spy". Imagine if an article about Reagan while he was president referred to him constantly as "the former Hollywood actor".

[0] https://crimea.suspilne.media/en/news/942

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