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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mopsi »

protomolecule wrote: post #469
neom wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fan fiction, but: Civil wars might do it, the Russians need to overthrow Putin, Xi in China, and we need to elect peace hawks in places that have democracy. People would have to really really really really not want a word war. On the history part, I have no clue, but I do know that today the citizenry is more connected and able to strategize for ourselfs than at any point in history before.

"the Russians need to overthrow Putin, Xi in China, and we need to elect peace hawks in places that have democracy." We overthrew communists in 1991, USSR crumbled, in 1992 Pentagon declared that America's "first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival" [0] and 17 years later NATO, after multiple rounds of expansion, announced that it would expand into Georgia and the Ukraine [1] despite all the promi…

> despite all the promises given by Western leaders

This gets repeated a lot, but who on the Russian side has ever confirmed it? Many people from that time are still around. Both the USSR's last minister of foreign affairs (1985-1990) and the first Russian minister of foreign affairs (1990-1996) have called that bullshit, with the latter adding in a recent interview that people believing this are "chumps and useful idiots"[1].

[1] https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/russias-ex-foreign-ministe...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by barelyauser »

maratc wrote: post #374
barelyauser wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dying like that seems like a computer who can't avoid but to crash when it hits a single wrong bit on an ocean of memory. Why? Why choose rigid principles that might lead you straight to doom? Why people think this is honorable? His enemy lost nothing, and the allies left behind have to fight with less men.

I'm not advocating for what Navalny did, just explaining his point of view, according to which if you're not ready to die for your principles then you have no principles — just opinions. Again: his words, not mine.

What if my principle is to survive?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by KingOfCoders »

strictnein wrote: post #392
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

Germany will buy its F-35s. Poland will start taking delivery of its HIMARS from the US starting next year and will continue to order US hardware. As part of the deals that Poland and Germany signed, they will be ramping up local production to support the systems they are buying. One thing you're missing in lots of your predictions is that Ukraine had no US military presence. Poland does. There's 10k US troops in Pol…

"Germany will buy its F-35s"

No. Germany needs those F-35 only for delivering nukes ("Nukleare Teilhabe") [0] replacing aging Tornados in that role. With Trump as the next president I don't think you find a German politician (except the far left and far right) who thinks sharing nukes with the US is working any longer.

I'd think Germany will rather take French nukes instead of using US nukes in the future.

"There's zero chance other European countries will be closing US military bases with the looming threat from Russia."

With a US president shouting "Russia, go, invade Germany, rape, plunder and torture with my blessing" - US bases will all be shut in the coming decades.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Paradigma11 »

zer00eyz wrote: post #238
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

Total aid, yes. Military spending no. In fact this war has highlighted that NO ONE was ready for the fight that came about. Skip the money for a moment. Ukraine right now is marginally fucked for one reason: 155mm artillery shells. There isnt enough global production to have a war. The US is far and away the largest producer. EU can not keep up and did not bring on anywhere near enough capacity to defend itself in a…

Congratulations for picking with 155mm shells one of the few items that Europe has far outproduced the US with an estimated capacity of 650k shells/year pre war and a ramped up actual production to 1 mill/year in the next few months.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by bzzzt »

macleginn wrote: post #317
czechdeveloper wrote: post #310

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This sounds so random. Did Russia ever proved they can do AI in any significant capacity?

Yandex was doing alright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex_self-driving_car

Their "Tesla killer" not so much: https://news.yahoo.com/russia-presents-electric-car-amber-16...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

kemotep wrote: post #147
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

How do you propose the west avoids conflict with Russia and China? Is there any examples in history of appeasement leading to less bloodshed?

it is only possible to reduce not to avoid bloodshed.

Russia does not honor the rules of law so we should not negotiate with them in good faith. They are a terrorist state.

  UN Charter
  Budapest Memorandum
  INF Treaty
  Minsk 2 / Minsk 1
  ...
The only solution are preemptive strikes against Russian interests.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by KingOfCoders »

justin66 wrote: post #426
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

> Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending One assumes Poland would actually like someone to fulfill those orders in a timely manner, so perhaps not. Germany can afford to "spend" money on weapons and then not produce anything, but it's not going to work for Poland.

Poland will not get spare parts for its F-35 in a conflict under Trump, or more likely be blackmailed for higher prices or other concessions. Or the software will stop working and they need to pay to make it work again. Trump would love that.

The only way for Poland to be safe is having military production in its own country. Because it's easier if everyone has the same weapons, I it should join Airbus and KMW+NEXTER and get production facilities on it's own land.

As seen with AstraZeneca you need physical control to be safe.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by data_maan »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #523
strictnein wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany will buy its F-35s. Poland will start taking delivery of its HIMARS from the US starting next year and will continue to order US hardware. As part of the deals that Poland and Germany signed, they will be ramping up local production to support the systems they are buying. One thing you're missing in lots of your predictions is that Ukraine had no US military presence. Poland does. There's 10k US troops in Pol…

"Germany will buy its F-35s" No. Germany needs those F-35 only for delivering nukes ("Nukleare Teilhabe") [0] replacing aging Tornados in that role. With Trump as the next president I don't think you find a German politician (except the far left and far right) who thinks sharing nukes with the US is working any longer. I'd think Germany will rather take French nukes instead of using US nukes in the future. "There's z…

I'm pretty sure Trump didn't say "rape" (source?).

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by machinekob »

acuozzo wrote: post #511
amai wrote: post #406

A 47 year old man killed by the 72 year old president. Nothing shows the conflict of generations in Russia better than this. The old farts of Russia/Soviet Union are killing the younger generation and by that are killing Russias future. For what, grandpa? For what?

What future? Between the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s and the collapse of the USSR, Russia has only a few generations left before experiencing demographic collapse. There simply aren't enough young men there to keep the Russian population growing and the population there doesn't value diversity enough to consider producing more Russian children with immigrants. This is what many believe (e.g., Peter Zeihan) to be…

There is not enough Young women as MEN cant give a birth, still russian demographic looks terrible and this is very good news for all russian neighbors and EU as last imperial country in Europe will die
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