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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

sekai wrote: post #397
lm28469 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would have never believed all this just a few years ago, how it will go down. The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened to

> The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened Exactly, did people forget Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014? Let's not be naive here.

Yup, this was the time to arm Ukraine. (or even in 2008 with Georgia).

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by seanw444 »

barelyauser wrote: post #349
maratc wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He answered that question: "I have my country and I have my principles, and I'm not willing to give up either."

Dying like that seems like a computer who can't avoid but to crash when it hits a single wrong bit on an ocean of memory. Why? Why choose rigid principles that might lead you straight to doom? Why people think this is honorable? His enemy lost nothing, and the allies left behind have to fight with less men.

Because if he left, the propaganda would have easily portrayed him as a coward. Staying in Russia gave him the best chance he had to win over the populous.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by MrDresden »

seanw444 wrote: post #411
stephenitis wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment sounds disingenuous. Talking about alternative ideas is the start. Arguably the most dangerous part.

Yeah, what's he supposed to do? Head a frontal assault on the Kremlin? Dude's a political figure. His job is to talk.

The job he chose was to inspire people, and show them a way to protest from within the system (the strategic voting system he and his followers published).

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by clarionbell »

Muehe wrote: post #344
SXX wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do you want to world to do? Support Ukraine more. Support refugees from Russia. Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

> And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU. Collective punishment is still a war crime.

No. Not in this case it isn't. Look up definition of war crimes before talking about them.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by secondary_op »

kulikalov wrote: post #378

There are smart people who work for Russia, or worse - for russian gov. Without them it would not be possible. How can an individual have both the critical thinking and still have the gut to contribute to this? I grew up in rural russia. It's much much worse than what you see on the facade. My neighbour was a police man. His 15 years boy raped a kid from local orphanage and captured it on a video. No justice followed…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by justin66 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

> Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending

One assumes Poland would actually like someone to fulfill those orders in a timely manner, so perhaps not. Germany can afford to "spend" money on weapons and then not produce anything, but it's not going to work for Poland.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tekla »

lm28469 wrote: post #180
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia really is not to be feared. The Ukraine war is a tragedy and I hope it ends soon. But they have no economical & military power to really do any harm the Europe & the US. Putin makes a lot of noise but really can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. But the real threat is further east. China is slowly building it's empire, and it's a scary one. Taking over parts of Africa. Migrating it's people. Integrating it's t…

> can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. And the US couldn't win against a few thousand goat farmers with Ak47s, or maybe there this is a bit more complex...

As it turns out, glassing an entire country is politically unpopular.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by alkonaut »

isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

Putin usually had faked opposition, and even some illusion of election monitoring. This time around it seems there will be no illusion of having elections at all since there will be no international monitoring and seemingly not even a pretend opposition.

But I guess why would he pretend to have democracy? The Russians certainly don't buy it, and the countries that might care have already cut all ties. I wonder why he bothers to have the election charade?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by axegon_ »

I love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down his tone internationally in the past decade just to buy himself some sympathy from the west(and sadly way too many people ate it like a fresh doughnut). But he was no different. Assuming there is such a thing as opposition in russia(which, I'm sorry, I don't believe for a nanosecond), I'd argue his contribution was to further divide it.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by herculity275 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #309
mistyq wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not an "anti-war candidate". To think it is possible without FSB approval is naivety. His purpose was to collect lists of people who signed for him (that is, new opposition that hasn't emigrated and formed naturally in 2022-2024 - needless to say, it consists of completely different demographics and people's backgrounds from the "old" opposition). Unfortunately these people are too naive to recognize the danger…

this is FUD. Inventing another candidate while already sitting on already existing lists of tons of Navalny supporters? supporters to whom nothing happened through all that time? doesn't pass the smell check

Navalnyists are soft-banned in Russia. They can't make any meaningful public statements without hitting one of the censure laws (e.g. it's illegal to say anything about the war that differs from the official Kremlin line). The FSB just slaps the "foreign agent" designation onto the more loud ones and makes their lives difficult enough for them to migrate away. It's a slow cleanse but it's pretty effective.
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