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Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Yes it's literally just leveraging

it's recursive leveraging using multiple different market makers that are giving you further leveraged bets on already leveraged assets

What do you think leveraging is? You are using your deposit (ETH) to increase exposure to an asset (more ETH). The process is just more manual compared to a traditional market because crypto.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definately not a zero-sum system

You can make an argument that the economy as a whole is not a zero-sum system, but money markets certainly are.

Assume a financial asset that keeps going up at a steady rate, people buy and sell it all the time but everyone who sold did it at a higher price. Who is losing money in that case?

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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While $120M is a huge amount of money, it doesn't necessarily mean they got a huge percentage return. I don't see how much they staked to get this return. The article does mention that the two wallets are collectively worth $3B, and that they used 1-2x leverage in this bet. I'm curious how much they actually bet on this. Was it a 10% overnight return? That's a fantastic return, but plenty of traditional market gamble…

In the article, they said they opened the position when Ethereum was 1,000 which was 2021.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Crypto people discovering leverage and accounting, news at 6. I have $1 asset. I have $2 asset and $1 loan. I have $3 asset and $2 loan.

Yes they have been doing this since Ethereum existed. Maybe it's HN discovering this achievement, considering crypto people are explaining very basic functionality to this website's community

HN loathes crypto. I think too many tech bros got burned in 2018.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Good for them if they manage to convert those imaginary numbers to actual money. With actual I mean real world money with which you can pay your bills, taxes etc, not the funny internet money. It's still a Ponzi. And writing about this thing in the same terms as legitimate financial trades will not change the fact that it's all a meaningless charade by habitual gamblers.

You seem needlessly aggrevated. Other people are willing to pay for it, so it doesn't really matter how you feel it's "funny internet money", it's a currency of value. Curious, what are those "legitimate" financial trades you are speaking about?

Quoting Hitchhikers Guide:

This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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While $120M is a huge amount of money, it doesn't necessarily mean they got a huge percentage return. I don't see how much they staked to get this return. The article does mention that the two wallets are collectively worth $3B, and that they used 1-2x leverage in this bet. I'm curious how much they actually bet on this. Was it a 10% overnight return? That's a fantastic return, but plenty of traditional market gamble…

In the article, they said they opened the position when Ethereum was 1,000 which was 2021.

That's when they initially started building their now-$3B stake. Doesn't have anything to do with this $120M trade.
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