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Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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post #19

This ought to be as newsworthy as the headline "Gambler just made $120M using a strategy called 'bet it all on a horse with 20-1 odds"

It's not, because the risk is calculated. Finance has been doing the same for ages, so these people may come from a very traditional finance background...

going long with margin is not something only people from finance backgrounds know

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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post #9

Wouldn't a sane individual cash it in and retire at that point? Even cashing 1/2 of it would pay for pretty much any lifestyle a person might want...

See the other comments ITT. It seems like they already had far more than that to begin with.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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While $120M is a huge amount of money, it doesn't necessarily mean they got a huge percentage return. I don't see how much they staked to get this return. The article does mention that the two wallets are collectively worth $3B, and that they used 1-2x leverage in this bet. I'm curious how much they actually bet on this.

Was it a 10% overnight return? That's a fantastic return, but plenty of traditional market gamblers have pulled that off. Doesn't diminish their success in any way. I'm trying to figure out how much they gained as a percentage of the gambled amount, as the actual dollar amount doesn't mean much.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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post #14

So who lost $120M? This is a zero-sum system.

If an asset goes up in price, who loses?

One model is "total assets go up, no one loses".

Another is "those who want to use the assets in the future will have to pay more for them".

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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post #19

This ought to be as newsworthy as the headline "Gambler just made $120M using a strategy called 'bet it all on a horse with 20-1 odds"

It's not, because the risk is calculated. Finance has been doing the same for ages, so these people may come from a very traditional finance background...

Genuinely curious- In what sense is the risk calculated? I understand that the leverage factor is known but fundamentally isn’t this still just a bet that eth will rise? And if it falls then won’t the loss be multiplied by the same leverage factor?

Obviously you can research the eth market and form a view but you can also research horse racing form and the odds themselves should be a fair calculation indicator if the betting market is working well - so it seems fair to suggest that this is in the same category as a horse racing bet.

Re: Two Ethereum DeFi traders just made $120M using a strategy called 'looping'

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post #14

So who lost $120M? This is a zero-sum system.

It's definately not a zero-sum system

You can make an argument that the economy as a whole is not a zero-sum system, but money markets certainly are.
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