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German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't. I financed my phone for free via Klarna. I could easily pay it at once but why would I. In the end I save a bit because of inflation.

> I financed my phone for free via Klarna So how do they make money? Sounds like they would be losing money to inflation by offering that service for free.

They make money because they know that if you need to use Klarna to finance a €300 purchase you are very likely to default on the loan and pay interest.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#32
post #6

I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax. You have no choice. Interestingly, I didn’t need a credit check to rent in Belgium and Denmark.

> I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax

It looks more like the Mafia. You pay a protection tax but this does not guaranty anything.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't. I financed my phone for free via Klarna. I could easily pay it at once but why would I. In the end I save a bit because of inflation.

Unless either your salary or the price of the phone increased in those months, you didn't save anything.

He can't predict the future. The relevant metric must be

1. The chance, weighted by amount, of a price hike/salary increase

2. The chance, weighted by amount, of a price decline/salary decrease.

As inflation is generally an upward trend, clearly no. 1 is more likely and thus the best bet.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#34
What surprised me about Schufa is that the certificate it provides only states that you didn't have any defaults or delinquencies in Germany. That's quite different from a credit rating in the US sense that you can build up by consistently borrowing and repaying over time.

When I moved to Berlin after having lived in London, my Schufa was thus as pristine as possible - simply because I had no German credit history to begin with.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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What surprised me about Schufa is that the certificate it provides only states that you didn't have any defaults or delinquencies in Germany. That's quite different from a credit rating in the US sense that you can build up by consistently borrowing and repaying over time. When I moved to Berlin after having lived in London, my Schufa was thus as pristine as possible - simply because I had no German credit history to…

They do calculate a score, for use by their customers, which also includes your credit history. But if you don't have any, well.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#36
post #6

I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax. You have no choice. Interestingly, I didn’t need a credit check to rent in Belgium and Denmark.

might be worth fixing the problem all together by making it easier to kick out people who don't pay rent.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#37
Finally. Germany combines some of the worst aspects of the US (credit ranking, complicated abortion process, private healthcare if you want decent treatments) with the worst aspects of Europe (low digitalization, high taxation, recursive federalism: within the country and within the EU).

A country like the Netherlands has its own issues (mainly housing) but doesn't have the myriad of pain points you can find in Germany like Schufa, anti-customer contract rules, or public healthcare inaccessible despite paying more than 400€/month for it as a single individual.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#38
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't. I financed my phone for free via Klarna. I could easily pay it at once but why would I. In the end I save a bit because of inflation.

Unless either your salary or the price of the phone increased in those months, you didn't save anything.

The price of the phone and the installment amounts are fixed at purchase. If there is a positive inflation rate you are guaranteed to make a real saving (but not a nominal one) by paying some of the purchase amount later on. What happens to your salary or the price of the phone later has nothing to do with it.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#39
I almost didn't get a mortgage in the Netherlands because if you're German, they request a Schufa report, and there was a minor issue on that. Had I come from e.g. Bangladesh instead of from Germany, I would not have had this problem.

We found a workaround and ten years later the house is paid off, just for illustration of how predictive that report was. I'll cheer for whoever takes on and fights Schufa, always.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #36
post #6

I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax. You have no choice. Interestingly, I didn’t need a credit check to rent in Belgium and Denmark.

might be worth fixing the problem all together by making it easier to kick out people who don't pay rent.

In a better world I could maybe believe that giving landlords more power could make the system more efficient, but... well...
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