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German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #7

It's high time this issue gets sorted out by the courts and Schufa is finally forced to change their malicious business model.

Change it to what though?

On the one hand, I think Schufa is collecting a lot of unnecessary data that they should'nt have access to. For example, when I bought a pre-paid SIM card in Germany the provider did a Schufa check. No idea why.

On the other hand, I get why a credit score can be useful for larger purchase decisions. If I was a bank, I'd like to know if the person I'm lending 400k for a property, has in the past defaulted on any loans.

I genuinely don't know what a good middle ground is though.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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You can request a free “data copy in accordance with Art. 15 GDPR”, which according to them “contains information that you should treat sensitively.” and further: “SCHUFA therefore advises against passing it on to third parties.”

The product they market, the “credit report”, costs €30 and, according to them, is “forgery-proof” and “up to date” (lolz).

I don't know the main differences to the free "data copy" - probably just a report with this specially invented key figure and a bit nicely prepared.

All in all, SCHUFA has a very unsympathetic image here in Germany, I think rightfully so. Nobody wants to have anything to do with them voluntarily.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#13
post #6

I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax. You have no choice. Interestingly, I didn’t need a credit check to rent in Belgium and Denmark.

Same in the Netherlands, and I can personally corroborate that you don't need it in Belgium. Finland also didn't need it but for a temporary student apartment that might be different.

Currently in Germany, yeah... we paid the Schufa tax twice over because we're two people renting together, and the GDPR data export thingy conveniently omits the credit score they've computed about you...

Was considering whether one can make use of the 14-day return thing, but they've thought of that: it uses a sealed envelope that's hard to open without leaving evidence (under a guise of having a nice opener mechanism).

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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Some fun features of SCHUFA in Germany:

1. If you apply for a loan, this affects your credit rating. Yes - not get a loan, or default on a loan, simply by applying for a loan, your SCHUFA can be affected negatively. Especially if you are shopping around for loans, this is infuriating. This happens because your SCHUFA is affected simply by another entity checking your SCHUFA score. This is also really annoying because it can be very hard to get a loan as a recent immigrant to Germany, so you inevitably end up applying for multiple ones.

2. Your SCHUFA score is also affected by where you live, and how many jobs you've had in X years, and how often you move (which is often as a recent-ish immigrant).

3. Services like Klarna affect your SCHUFA - even if you have a perfect payback time.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a distinction without a difference. Whether the renter or the landlord buy the credit report, the renter will pay for it anyway.

Well, no. If the applicant is denied they pay nothing.

In NYC we have application fees that are non refundable to cover background checks. It’s turned into its own scam where people show rooms to rent, collect deposits, and never run the checks and keep the deposits.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #14

Some fun features of SCHUFA in Germany: 1. If you apply for a loan, this affects your credit rating. Yes - not get a loan, or default on a loan, simply by applying for a loan, your SCHUFA can be affected negatively. Especially if you are shopping around for loans, this is infuriating. This happens because your SCHUFA is affected simply by another entity checking your SCHUFA score. This is also really annoying because…

Using a service like Klarna means you're bad at dealing with money, so it makes sense.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

#17
post #2

What's the point of a credit agency if they can't get paid for making their reports?

They're allowed to charge for the service of assessing a person's credit risk and attesting to it. In the common case you just get a document saying effectively "we have no negative information on file regarding this person".

But they also provide what's essentially a vanity service where they give you a more detailed breakdown of the information they have on you. They're also allowed to charge for that.

The issue is that under the GDPR, they're also required to provide all the information they have on you, for free.

Now this obviously conflicts with their nice side business, so they're trying to herd people towards the paid offering.

I don't think making the free GDPR export more prominent would threaten their core service. After all, businesses interested in your creditworthiness don't want to make too many complex decisions themselves, so they'll continue to rely on Schufa's stamp of approval instead of wading through the details of your financial history. (And how do they know you're not hiding something from them?)

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #6

I don’t know how it’s in other countries, but Schufa is a monopolist and feels like simply paying a tax. You have no choice. Interestingly, I didn’t need a credit check to rent in Belgium and Denmark.

I only know something like Schufa here in Germany, never needed something like that in Portugal, UK, France, Switzerland.

Re: German credit agency earns millions through unlawful customer manipulation

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post #16
post #14

Some fun features of SCHUFA in Germany: 1. If you apply for a loan, this affects your credit rating. Yes - not get a loan, or default on a loan, simply by applying for a loan, your SCHUFA can be affected negatively. Especially if you are shopping around for loans, this is infuriating. This happens because your SCHUFA is affected simply by another entity checking your SCHUFA score. This is also really annoying because…

Using a service like Klarna means you're bad at dealing with money, so it makes sense.

It isn't. I financed my phone for free via Klarna. I could easily pay it at once but why would I. In the end I save a bit because of inflation.
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