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Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

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What do you like about it? Size?

There aren't many small phones that aren't cheap and nasty. iPhone minis are small and premium which is rare. The android manufacturers really need to try harder. 6" is basically a tablet. It's really unnecessary for phones to be as big as they are today. UI designs have gotten more sparse and wasteful of screen real estate.

I feel that. I used to run Xperia Compacts, but I think Sony stopped making them. Currently have a Unihertz Jelly 2, and while I really like it, occasionally I'd come across an app that did not expect such a small screen.

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1) You can predict the future economic state of the EU as well as the next person 2) Most of the "bureaucracy" that hits small to medium sized companies is the GDPR, which any business with the slightest of integrity should have no problem to follow

You can easily use the dearth of meaningful consumer technology companies in the EU and their absurd overindexing on regulation as a predictor of what the EU's economy will look like. While the rest of the world dives into technology and AI, the EU will become a backwater, because the EU does not know how to craft regulation that balances innovation and "consumer good." It literally only focuses on the latter at all…

Tell me, how do you see life being in the Consumerism States of America in the future where the handful of mega corporations, that will have been allowed to behave and merge for monopolistic dominance with impunity for decades, will have such power and size that their employees will work in horrifying conditions for wages that barely (if even) can support them, all the while making the very few individuals at the top richer than any individual or group ever would need to be. All in the name of innovation.

You'll have plenty of shiny consumer items to select from (most if not all actually designed and manufactured over seas to keep costs down of course).

And if you are good litle drone you might just keep the current job long enough to scrounge together enough to buy the shiny item, so that it will signal to everyone that you are truly one of the pack that everyone around you so desperately needs to feel as being a part too.

This isn't some scifi reality that won't come to pass.

What worker protection do tech workers in the US actually have? How about the conditions in Amazon's 'fulfillment centers' (this term is down right Stalin-esque btw)? UPS drivers?

How many mergers have there been in the aeronautical sector since WW2 (hint, used to be 50+ companies and now there are 5).

And what is currently happening with the US airline manufacturer (the singular other manufacturer of its size compared to the EU' Airbus)?

I could go on, and on, and on but am hoping that you are smart enough to get the point I'm making.

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The EU gave Apple an argument to kill PWAs (because the investment to support them is not worth it for them), while Apple does not like PWAs anyways. Bad for the citizens of the EU.

> while Apple does not like PWAs anyways [citation needed]. PWAs give Apple an out from having certain apps (for example, FetLife) on the App Store without making the phone a non-starter for people who want to use them. As much as Apple likes its walled garden, it likes the walls just fuzzy enough to not piss people off into migrating. Apple just want to make the regulation itself annoying.

And annoying it is. I'm not on the side of Apple here, but also question the way regulators work, because lately the outcome of IT-regulation in some cases seems to be a net negative for citizens.

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I think there's a lot of edge cases, and just spinning up an entire new data container for iOS Chrome and launching a web app inside it would probably make Chrome very confused . (It wouldn't know to hide its normal tab/browser UI, to not nag the user about logging into their google account, etc.) Like I said, Apple could totally make APIs so that Chrome could know it was being launched in a container with data isola…

Bookmarks are superior to PWAs, anything that reduces the spread of PWAs is a good thing in my opinion.

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No it was 6 months old and she doesn't care about it or phones. She thought it was broken. I charged it with my powerbank, an anker PD one and she ordered a proper charger off amazon. I gave her my spare USB-C cable. It was seen as a potential financial inconvenience having to do anything about it as well. Literally many people do not care enough to understand it. It's just a modern necessity, a tool.

This is my wife. She purchased a bunch of USB-A to USB-c cables off Amazon and wonders why her laptop runs out of power while plugged in - it's because the laptop needs 25-30 watts and those cables can only put out 5 watts because they're limited by the USB-A port. USB-c PD is such a dumpster fire of a standard. Even with supposedly high end cables like Anker you often can't charge a Macbook Pro faster than it can dr…

That's true of all things that don't respect standards, not a PD issue. If you buy a wheel and it's not up to spec it'll crack. If you buy a power cable and it has a type-c on one end and a 110/220v plug on the other, that's not going to work well either.

Buy stuff that's up to spec, and it'll be fine.

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Bad move from Apple. It's time to boycott iOS and move to FOSS alternatives, such as: AOSP, Ubuntu Touch, GNOME Mobile, KDE Plasma, Sailfish OS. Personally I am using both UBports and Sailfish OS and I appreciate the privacy they provide. As a possible workaround to fullscreen PWAs in iOS in the EU, I propose a convention to append some hash to the Web App Manifest start_url, e.g. #__pwa__, then set the default iOS w…

I love selfhosting/flashing as much as the next person, but why do you believe going AOSP would be the next step away from iOS?

Someone moving of iOS should just pick up a Nokia device with a stock standard Android OS. It will serve them fine without all the hassle of flashing.

If they want a higher end device with stock Android, go for a Pixel.

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my last Pixel had shit battery compared to iPhone, buyer beware

And all my Pixels (Pixel 1, Pixel 3 and now Pixel 6a) worked flawlessly for years after purchase. Whereas two separate family members had constant issues with their iPhones. Beware of anecdotal evidence.

Yup, my Pixel 8 Pro has great battery life. +1 on don't trust random internet anecdata.

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Are you sure this isn't a tech industry viewpoint? I don't know anyone who knows what the difference between an app and a PWA is. I don't think I've seen anyone outside of the tech industry with a PWA active. In context 99% of the users I meet don't even know what USB-C is.

I think PWAs are an outright failure and a technical solution looking for a problem. I don’t even know where to find one. For one thing, if Apple is complying with the EU’s alternative App Store and browser engine mandate, they’re even less useful than before. Why do I as a user want a PWA when I could have a native app?

It allows us from our webapp to easily allow a user to i.e. PIN a section of the app onto the homescreen (e.g import photos into this folder).. really nice.

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Since the article doesn't actually repeat what Apple has said, here's what Apple says: == Begin quote == The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of sys…

>Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious web apps could read data from other web apps and recapture their permissions to gain access to a user’s camera, microphone or location without a user’s consent

Sounds like Apple is saying webkit is insecure and to not use safari or iOS webviews because if they can't be trusted to run a PWA then they can't be trusted for anything ;3

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