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Post by edent »

evantbyrne wrote: post #212
edent wrote: post #208

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It absolutely does not mean that. Unions help set minimum standards, not maximum ones. I've worked in private companies where the maximum comp is set by management and they do not allow individual negotiations. And I've worked in heavily unionised organisations where I was able to negotiate a better deal for myself. Do you really think your unique talents will save you from a lecherous boss or protect you from being…

I've negotiated raises without being unionized. I've paid lawyers for contract negotiations. It still stands that in this specific instance it doesn't appear that the suggestion of unionization is relevant. Notably absent from your story is your job title, salary, whether you were personally unionized, and any mention of anything the union actually did for you personally. I'm not saying unions are generally bad, but…

I'm sorry for not giving you my full CV. You can look it up on LinkedIn if you like.

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Post by whoisthemachine »

joshcanhelp wrote: post #215
AndrewPGameDev wrote: post #204

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How can a company be "people first" when they sell out to a larger company who isn't "people first"?

This is a good question. A lot of people, all over the world, put a lot of work into something and getting acquired turns stock options worth $0 into options worth a lot more than that. It’s just my $0.02 but, knowing the founders and who they are, I’m fairly sure this was more about giving back to the folks that made it happen than it was a purely business decision. Also, Auth0 was investor-backed so there was likel…

Ethics are tricky!

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #165
jwr wrote: post #159

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Yes, the employers pay, but you do not lose your healthcare immediately after being fired. The state provides it for you as part of the social security net. I don't know specifically about Germany or Denmark, but I suppose it's the same across the EU.

In France you can keep the insurance you used to have from the employer who fired you, but you'll have to pay for it out of pocket. I don't know whether you'll also keep the same price or if it'll be adjusted up (since you presumably don't benefit from whatever deal the employer managed to get). If you don't have this insurance (mutuelle), the State does provide the social security (it's provided either way, the mutu…

I stayed a few times at the hospital and the price was something like 20€/day. Quite affordable, especially that the price is decreasing when the stay is longer.

It may be a bit more (would need to dig the bill but it was of that order of magnitude) and I am writing this do that a non-EU person does not get the idea that it was 1000€ a day or something.

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Post by atemerev »

rglullis wrote: post #98
atemerev wrote: post #89

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Well, there are not many countries where people actually trust institutions (and, above all, the government). Perhaps Germany, Nordic countries, Netherlands, Japan, maybe a few more. In Switzerland, we work with the government, and are generally OK with it, but proceed cautiously, as if it could explode any second. In Spain and France already, government is considered an inefficient nuisance. In many places in South…

Ok, but there are two institutions here: corporations and governments . Who do you think that Southern Europeans relatively trust more of those?

I don’t think that many people trust _corporations_ anywhere. In the US, people at least can have some stake there, by owning stocks etc, which makes them more engaged. Stock markets in Europe are laughable, people rarely invest there, except through their bank funds.

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Post by plagiarist »

AndrewPGameDev wrote: post #204
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #44

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The “people first” company was Auth0. The company that sent the email and terminated access instantly was Okta. Fairly clear to me.

How can a company be "people first" when they sell out to a larger company who isn't "people first"?

At billions of dollars in acquisition you'd think any employee wouldn't have financial stability as a top concern like mentioned a few times here.

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Post by simplify »

remram wrote: post #161
ricenews wrote: post #143

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Not OP, but I’ll take a crack at responding. The feeling of being “blessed” is the recognition that a substantial component of your current fortune is due to circumstances outside your control, whether due to a higher power, support from family/friends, raw luck, or the kindness of strangers. The proper and typical response to this feeling is one of gratitude, not self-importance, and the desired response is to contr…

What you're describing is better captured by the word "lucky". "Blessed" is lucky plus an acknowledgement that this luck was granted to you on purpose by a higher power, so you deserved it in a karmic way (though not operational way). It really irks me too.

"Blessed" does not necessarily imply karmic nor deserving. Many Christians will say they've been blessed and recognize they don't deserve it.

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Post by adrr »

nu11ptr wrote: post #52

Do a lot of companies actually fire people via email? That seems very cold! Most of the companies I've worked for they will call you into a meeting with your boss and HR and then have security walk you out after gathering your things. Not ideal, but at least has a human element. If this person was remote then it could at least be done via phone.

For small layoffs its possible to do it individually. If you're firing hundreds or thousands of people, there isn't enough HR to go around and a lack of IT people to individually cut people's access throughout the day. Laid off in 2012, they just put hundreds of us in an event room and let us all go at once. I'd prefer an email and not have to do the walk of shame back to my desk with a box.

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

yau8edq12i wrote: post #220
great_wubwub wrote: post #61

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Once I got laid off via 1:1 call. Once I got laid off via a mass call with HR, they canned my entire department at once (300+ people). Once I got laid off via bulk bcc'd email because I was on vacation and missed the last-minute mass call with HR. This has never happened to me, but I am absolutely 100% positive some companies just shut your access off, send you an email to an account you can't log into any more, and…

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You don't live on earth?

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by joshcanhelp »

pm90 wrote: post #107

I can’t help but wonder about all the people who can’t express themselves as well as this Author. No shade on them, Im glad to have read about their journey. But the cynical part of me wonders about all the other affected folks, and what their perspective was about their tenure.

This was on my mind when I published it. I know, personally, other folks who did not have as fond of a memory as I do and others who are in a tough spot because of these layoffs (visa issues, financial hardships, etc). I certainly don't mean to imply that I represent all views here but it seems to have resonated with a lot of my former colleagues (who were the audience for this post).

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Post by groby_b »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #197
sokoloff wrote: post #110

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Exactly this. The company just subjected the individual to an enormous amount of stress that didn't exist yesterday coupled with the fact that the long-term payoff to them of "don't act like a jackass at work" has just changed a lot .

Yes. That’s the unfortunate part of being laid off. So to protect the individual from himself and the company from the individual it might be actually better to just lock people out. Funnily, nobody has such empathy towards a company when the employee lays the company off. Then everyone is like „suck it up company, suck it up boss”.

I'm fairly certain when an employee lays the company off, they do them the same courtesy and immediately lock them out from their life as well.

Also, if you'd like more empathy, in both directions, there is nothing in the US _preventing_ you from extending an employment contract with a well-defined layoff & severance process. Most companies choose not to do so, to preserve options. Well, you made your at-will bed, you get to lie in it.

If you're a manager caught in the middle: Yep. It sucks. It's also predictably part of your job, so make sure you're compensated accordingly. (You can't manage for an extended period without being forced to lay off somebody at some point. ZIRP stretched that period, a lot. It's still a thing that's part of the job)

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