Even if this product were lightweight and had a 10-hour battery life and didn’t cause eye strain, I still don’t think it would be an improvement over the real world.
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Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine
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#62"It’s a V1 Apple product. It’s a new category, for them, and by far the most ambitious headset on the consumer market." Well, all other V1 Apple products weren't half-assed, or at least when they were, they offered something more than the competitors. Meta Quest 3 is better on everything, despite eye tracking(for a reason, it sucks for many things, I'm sure Meta can have just as good, if they wanted to, but they like…
I genuinely think Apple wanted this to be relatively unpalatable to the typical consumer. They want to build something to prove their tech is the future, but don’t actually want anyone to buy this iteration. Why? Because they need developers to make worthwhile apps. Yes, the original iPhone shipped without an App Store, but it could also do regular phone stuff (calls, sms, etc). What’s the “regular” stuff you’d expec…
>Give it a couple years for there to be some really groundbreaking apps, and Apple will open the floodgates with a cheaper/more ergonomic version.
But what are the "ground breaking apps"? The "we just haven't thought of it yet" seems absolutely silly given how long we've had sci-fi novels that have similar ideas and nothing I've ever read in any novel sounded "groundbreaking".
This just screams "3D TV" to me - a solution nobody wants to a problem nobody has. If you could fit all of this into a pair of sunglasses MAYBE there would be a market - but that tech is probably 50 years away if it's possible at all.
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#64Five grand is insane.
This is the most relevant comment. I have the Meta Quest 2 running on a very powerful workstation[0] and its fun for an hour or two every month or so. I get VR sickness sometimes which is really not fun at all. Its actually really fucking terrible. I can fish all day (Ocean or Lake) and not get sick, but these VR headsets can be debilitating.
[0] I was a Macbook Pro user for many, many years until they started soldering everything to the darn MB. Apple is user hostile, imo, to the point that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I strictly buy used workstations (Think Dell 7820's, SuperMicro, etc.) that are a generation or two behind the latest and greatest. TCO is just phenomenal here AND I can upgrade them or downgrade them very easily. A chromebook with internet access is all I need to have my own private, GPU enabled, "datacenter" when I am away from the house. I love my setup and its so gdamn practical that "justification" is not a verb in my vocabulary.
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#65> "1. It’s uncomfortable" for AR to be useful, it has to be something seamless, comfortable and easy to integrate into your daily life. if it's giving you neck pains or eye strains, then as others said, actual reality will always be the better choice.
Reality is for people who can't handle AR?
Apple promote this as an AR tool. They never use the words VR at all.
AR is augmenting your reality. But if that augmentation includes pain, dizziness and headaches then I would hardly consider that an upgrade.
Maybe they can fix the bulk, battery and comfort issues. Or maybe this is just peak hubris. who knows.
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#66The fact that Apple is still using a difference of 256GB storage to jump the price $200 is really funny to me. This is already a wildly premium device, but they just can't resist trying to scrape a little bit more.
If they are not consistent about this then more people will start asking questions about iPhone storage tiers.
Why offer different storage SKUs at all? Just include the larger amount and bump the price by $30 or whatever.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their storage markups only get more obscene with retail SSD prices continuing to crash. $800 to upgrade from 256GB to 2TB? A fast 2TB NVMe drive can be had for ~$130.
> A fast 2TB NVMe drive can be had for ~$130 Not if the drive is soldered to the motherboard..
Why would soldering it cost so much more?
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#68On comfort and price: Apple should have sold the strap separately and partnered with different manufacturers so that 3rd party options were available from Day 1. For example, this looks less beautiful than Apple's version, but is more comfortable and functional and from what I've read by others, results in a larger FOV (since you can size down on light seal or... remove it): https://twitter.com/Azadux/status/17574691…
> Apple should have sold the strap separately On the contrary… I can already imagine the backlash against this one „oh, the profiteering, they don’t even sell the strap with it”.
I addressed that point in my original comment, but to add more, they clearly realized that different sized heads and different needs for comfort were such a problem that they bundled it with two different straps (and two different pads). Not to mention the "light seal" fitting issues, which frankly I think they should have partnered on that, as well.
These comfort problems should have been the obvious signal that they shouldn't have done what they do with the watch--which is bundle it with a band.
Between strap and light seal, it's about $500. Why would Apple want to make $500 less? Well, clearly they don't. But I think a $2999 intro price gets a lot more people in the door, even if they then need to buy a $90 3rd party strap. And is more comfortable, too, which is the main point in preventing returns like this one.
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#69Why on Earth can people return these for non-fault reasons?! It's the other customers who bear the cost to cover this - like indecisive ditzy clothes shoppers who order huge numbers of items knowing they'll return 90% of them.
Apple's return policy has always been very generous. I often buy their new products to see if I'll like them, and if I don't then I know I can just return them within 14 days for a full refund. It's netted them more than a few sales from me.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Zuckerberg said yesterday on Instagram that eye tracking is coming back in a future headset.
I don't doubt it will, but I bet Meta knows the limitations and that the controller it has is the best there is, and eye tracking will be used for some purposes. I was expecting Apple would reinvent that with a concept nobody had imagined before. They didn't. Zero innovation. Doesn't look like an Apple product to me. Earpods from Apple was more innovative and had a better factor form than likely this Apple Vision Pro…
>I was expecting Apple would reinvent that with a concept nobody had imagined before. They didn't. Zero innovation.
Probably why the engineers didn't want to release it. I seem to recall a bunch of folks at Apple were pretty up in arms that this was coming out, and that upper management basically forced their hand because they were worried Facebook would run away with the market.