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Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

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Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#11
> When we price out things in the USA we pretend sales tax doesn’t exist, but it does, hoo boy it does, and most of us pay it.

The price breakdown in this article was probably the most useful part. There was a slim chance I would have considered a product like this for $3700, but $5000 is simply too much for my budget.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#12
On comfort and price:

Apple should have sold the strap separately and partnered with different manufacturers so that 3rd party options were available from Day 1.

For example, this looks less beautiful than Apple's version, but is more comfortable and functional and from what I've read by others, results in a larger FOV (since you can size down on light seal or... remove it): https://twitter.com/Azadux/status/1757469190095781900 -- And that's a hacked together version, not the official version being worked on.

And while Apple would have gotten criticism for nickel and dime-ing folks by them having to buy more stuff separately, I actually think it would have resulted in a cheaper set for folks buying 3rd party. Not enough to put it in a different price category or anything, obviously, but cheaper nevertheless.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#13

One of the challenges is that a lot of his complaints are things that you can EASILY see being addressed -- most other VR headsets benefit from 3rd party straps that make a hugely significant difference in comfort, the app ecosystem hasn't even begun since folks. haven't had a device available, so hopefully there'll be many more use cases, Apple internally already has mirroring of multiple screens, etc. Yet my fear i…

OP here. I own a Quest 2 as well. It's a toy compared to the AVP, but it is more comfortable. I agree with your impression - these things will get addressed, but not within the return window, and a $5K gamble that it'll become useful is too rich for my taste.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#14
post #12

On comfort and price: Apple should have sold the strap separately and partnered with different manufacturers so that 3rd party options were available from Day 1. For example, this looks less beautiful than Apple's version, but is more comfortable and functional and from what I've read by others, results in a larger FOV (since you can size down on light seal or... remove it): https://twitter.com/Azadux/status/17574691…

> Apple should have sold the strap separately

On the contrary… I can already imagine the backlash against this one „oh, the profiteering, they don’t even sell the strap with it”.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#15

>The external cameras kind of suck. It’s a compromise. There are limits imposed by physics. The other criticisms aren't unsurprising, but I'm curious what he means by this. The cameras on my Samsung phone are very tiny and still very high res. I'd expect that to be one of the last problems on an Apple device.

Be sure you aren't using photo quality from your phone as your baseline for comparison. Spending the better part of a second on post-processing and enhancements isn't an option for a low-latency video feed.

Also, given how important the cameras are for high-end smartphones, and how damn many cameras the Vision Pro has, it wouldn't surprise me if the Vision Pro's budget per camera is actually less than on a flagship smartphone.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

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>The external cameras kind of suck. It’s a compromise. There are limits imposed by physics. The other criticisms aren't unsurprising, but I'm curious what he means by this. The cameras on my Samsung phone are very tiny and still very high res. I'd expect that to be one of the last problems on an Apple device.

OP here. I mean the passthrough cameras, and I mean they suck compared to the expectation of this being "AR, but rendered in VR" (I also have a 'first impressions' post that goes into more detail on this).

They're definitely not as good as the cameras on my iPhone, either.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#18

"It’s a V1 Apple product. It’s a new category, for them, and by far the most ambitious headset on the consumer market." Well, all other V1 Apple products weren't half-assed, or at least when they were, they offered something more than the competitors. Meta Quest 3 is better on everything, despite eye tracking(for a reason, it sucks for many things, I'm sure Meta can have just as good, if they wanted to, but they like…

Zuckerberg said yesterday on Instagram that eye tracking is coming back in a future headset.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#19
He talks a few times about looking forward to future generations, but if too many people pass on this generation, will there be future generations? I guess Apple has deep enough pockets that they could fund future generations even if they never make their money back.

Re: Apple Vision Nope: Why I returned mine

#20
post #9

The fact that Apple is still using a difference of 256GB storage to jump the price $200 is really funny to me. This is already a wildly premium device, but they just can't resist trying to scrape a little bit more.

Did the $1000 Mac Pro stand and $700 wheels not make that clear already?
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