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Why don't they ban phones too?
If you are Uighur ethnicity you need to use a special government issued “phone” or force installed app. They really use it as a tracking device.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/01/interview-chinas-big-bro...
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I think the actual issue is that a government holds the insane belief that by blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens.
> blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens If you make an anonymous bomb threat using Gmail in India, Google will hand off all information to the Indian government as they have operations in India and will be held liable, just like they would in the US. This is the reason why Proton AG honors American law enforcement requests - t…
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> inability to track the sender's IP is specific to Protonmail The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess....…
India is target Protonmail rather than all companies in countries that India doesn't have an agreement with though, right? My point was just that singling out Protonmail doesn't make sense and misses the point on how email works.
A platform is default allowed until it denies to comply with Law Enforcement Requests. When that happens, a platform can by denied/blacklisted.
This is why Protonmail is blocked in India and not Gmail or Yahoo.
If Proton AG decided to ignore US Law Enforcement requests, it would get shut down the same way. This exact thing happened to Lavabit in 2013.
This is at the request of a state police of Tamilnadu.
This particular state in India is ruled by a Party that's against Modi and his party.
Question here, why can't Protonmail cooperate with the police investigating bombing threat against schools ?
India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…
The mosque was converted by a judgement from India's Supreme Court. But yes, the administration's stunt of overtly participating in religious conflict by having the PM and country leaders inaugurate the temple sure leaves a bad taste. Thankfully, religion as a whole is becoming increasingly irrelevant among new generations as Western individualism takes over. This incident will hopefully be remembered just as an appe…
Many would say that doesn't change anything because they think that Indian supreme court is just another tool in the hand of Modi's government [1] [2] [3].
[1] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/12/27/i...
[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/02/wh...
[3] https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/india-s-justice-system-...
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The issue is India doesn't have a judicial agreement with Switzerland over data sharing (which includes User IP Addresses) for criminal investigations [0] while the US does [1], and Protonmail only honors Swiss litigation [2] This should change with the new India-Switzerland FTA though. [0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/files/ParsheeraJha_DataAccess.... [1] - https://www.dataprivacyframework.gov/framework-article/1…
I think the actual issue is that a government holds the insane belief that by blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> blocking one out of many ways that someone could make an anonymous threat, it somehow contributes to the safety of their citizens If you make an anonymous bomb threat using Gmail in India, Google will hand off all information to the Indian government as they have operations in India and will be held liable, just like they would in the US. This is the reason why Proton AG honors American law enforcement requests - t…
Your statements are correct but they aren't relevant to parent's point. Blocking an email provider has absolutely no positive effect on the safety of the citizens. While it has the potential of a lot of negative effects, like the inability of other innocent citizens to use their email account. It is the same thing when the GoI went ahead and blocked pastebin.com because of a bunch of pastes.
I agree that it's a half assed patched, but if a platform isn't responding to litigation or law enforcement requests, there is always the chance of bad actors weaponizing that loophole.
And it's not like Proton AG hasn't been linked to terror attacks. The perpetrator of the Bataclan Massacre used Protonmail to communicate with handlers, leading to the French government to require email platforms like Proton AG to honor French law enforcement requests [1].
[0] - https://www.wired.com/2015/11/isis-opsec-encryption-manuals-...
[1] - https://www.ejn-crimjust.europa.eu/ejnupload/DynamicPages/Fr...
India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…
Ban everything you cannot control / understand! That is the classic Indian bureaucracy reaction. For example, They also banned tinted windows in cars after an assualt happened in a car. Then, there was a time where they banned something or the other on a daily basis. Even right now there is Section 144 imposed in multiple cities - which means a "ban" on "unlawful assembly" of 5 or more people. 5 or more people in mul…
It's not specifically Indian. Canada just banned Flipper Zero devices because the little radios can replay car key fob signals and older cars are susceptible to replay attacks. Stupidity is everywhere.
Remember to always put someone with no knowledge of guns in charge with making gun laws.
Would the ban work the other way too? As a PM user, would I stop receiving a ton of spam from Indian addresses?