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Post by 15457345234 »

osigurdson wrote: post #424
15457345234 wrote: post #220

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> I suspect this is already have a measurable impact on global GDP. Yeah putting people out of work on an industrial scale is probably gonna have a pretty big effect on global GDP

Is inefficiency the path to economic greatness and quality of life improvements? I suspect no.

Probably the answer to that question is yes. Because a large number of people born aren't as intelligent as a really good LLM but unless you're intending to leave them to starve (hi to all the e/acc peeps out there, I hate you!) you need to create a system with inefficiencies so that they don't just litter the street begging and dying.

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Post by plutokras »

bigyikes wrote: post #305
jorvi wrote: post #300

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Yup. There is probably a few dozen (if not hundreds) of 3b1b out there with just as much polish, the algorithm just didn’t bless them.

Do you have any examples? I find this hard to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/@Reducible/videos

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Post by SCM-Enthusiast »

samspenc wrote: post #409
johnnyanmac wrote: post #110

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>He should teach more, and take it seriously. if only we compensated that knowledge properly. Youtube seems to come the closest, but Youtube educators also show how much time you have to spend attracting views instead of teaching expertise. > It makes you a target for offers and opportunities because of your name/influence, but not necessarily because of your underlying "best fit" That's unfortunately life in a nutsh…

> Youtube seems to come the closest, but Youtube educators also show how much time you have to spend attracting views instead of teaching expertise. Actually for all the attention that the top Youtubers get (in terms of revenue), the reality is that it's going to be impossible to replace teaching income with popular Youtube videos alone. Based on what I've seen, 1 million video views on Youtube gets you something lik…

If you made video a week and the average is 115k views, you replace your median salary[0]. But the logic on ppc ends up being alot more complicated than you assume.

to get 6m views you need to make one video a week that gets 114k views 6000000/52 = 115,384.61.

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Post by passion__desire »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #364
dustingetz wrote: post #248

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this is disrupting education. you can get a better undergraduate education in STEM on youtube than my paid education 20 years ago. I think those visualizations can even pull forward a bunch of stuff into high school.

You can’t sorry.

Actually there is a tortoise and hare race going on. Entertainment is outpacing education. Education is getting better and better with modern technology but so also is distraction i.e. entertainment.

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Post by jsjohnst »

avion23 wrote: post #344
jsjohnst wrote: post #281

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For the record, I agree with you about declining quality of answers, but… > Nowadays I don't get the answer I want for the same input. How is that not a result of declining quality? Is it really the same input? An argument could easily be made that as you’ve gotten accustomed to ChatGPT, you ask harder questions, use less descriptive of language, etc.

Not OP, but I copy & pasted the same code and asked it to improve. With no-fingers-tip-hack it does something, but much worse results.

Yep, hence why I said up front “I agree with you about declining quality of answers” because they definitively have based on personal experience with examples similar to yours.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by jsjohnst »

DJHenk wrote: post #326
jsjohnst wrote: post #281

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For the record, I agree with you about declining quality of answers, but… > Nowadays I don't get the answer I want for the same input. How is that not a result of declining quality? Is it really the same input? An argument could easily be made that as you’ve gotten accustomed to ChatGPT, you ask harder questions, use less descriptive of language, etc.

> Is it really the same input? An argument could easily be made that as you’ve gotten accustomed to ChatGPT, you ask harder questions, use less descriptive of language, etc. I don't have logs detailed enough to be able to look it up, so I can't prove it. But for me learning to work with AI tools like ChatGPT consists specifically developing an intuition of what kind of answer to expect. Maybe my intuition skewed a li…

> As a software developer understanding and knowing what to expect from a complex system is basically my profession. Not just the systems I build, maintain and integrate, but also the systems I use to get information, like search engines.

Ok, I’m going to call b/s here unless your expectations of Google have not gone way down over the years. Google was night and day different results twenty years ago vs ten years ago vs today. If 2004 Google search was a “10 out of 10”, then 2014 it was an “8 out of 10”, and today barely breaks a “5” in quality of results in comparison and don’t even bother with the advanced query syntax you could’ve used in the 00’s, they flat ignore it now.

(Also, side note, reread what you said in this post again. Just a friendly note that the overall tone comes across a certain way you might not have intended)

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Post by vonjuice »

inglor_cz wrote: post #392
vonjuice wrote: post #384

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That's kind of like saying that not being a murderer only has moral value if you're constantly under mortal threat yourself.

I don't really see the comparison. Not being a murderer isn't a virtue, it is just normal behavior for 99,9 per cent of the population.

First of all no one declared themselves a virtuous pacifist.

People don't participate in murder and they think others shouldn't either.

People don't participate in wars (which are essentially large scale murder) and they think others shouldn't.

Murder happens anyway. War happens anyway.

Yet if someone says 'war bad' people jump and say 'virtue signaling', but no one does that when people say 'murder bad'.

There's some really weird moral entanglement happening in the minds of people that are so eager to call out virtue signaling.

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Post by drumttocs8 »

skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

Why haven't plugins become more of a "thing"?

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Post by utopcell »

Copenjin wrote: post #270
weinzierl wrote: post #79

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Andrej Karpathy is badmephisto, a name you might have heard of if you're into cubing. http://badmephisto.com/

10 years ago: https://youtu.be/WhPjlnWbtS8?feature=shared&t=359

Thank you for sharing this link. The Gates building has changed so much over the last decade, it was nice to see it as it once was.

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Post by stickfigure »

vonjuice wrote: post #439
stickfigure wrote: post #436

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It can only ruin lives if people believe it's real. Until recently, that was a reasonable belief; now it's not. People will catch on and society will adapt. It's not like the technology is going to disappear.

I mean, the same applies to scams, scams only work if people believe them.

Right - as I said, we need to ramp up social skepticism, fast. Not as in some kind of utopian vision, but "the amount of fake information will be moving from a trickle to a flood soon, there's nothing you can do about that, so brace yourselves".

The specific policies of OpenAI or Google or whatnot are irrelevant. The technology is out of the bag.

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