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Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by danpalmer »

dgellow wrote: post #212
danpalmer wrote: post #194

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I think OpenAI will do fine, but I have doubts about ChatGPT as a product. It’s just a chat UI, and I’m not convinced the UI will be chat 3 years from now. Personally, the chat UI is the main limiting factor in my own adoption, because a) it’s not in the tool I’m trying to use, and b) it’s quicker for me to do the work than describe the work I need doing.

I interact with ChatGPT by voice pretty often, they have the best speech recognition I’ve ever seen. I can switch between languages (English, French, German) mid-sentence, think aloud, stop mid sentence, the correct what I just said, use highly technical terms (even describe code), I don’t even double check anymore because it’s almost always transcribed correctly. They can ~easily evolve the product to a more general…

For me, voice is just a different UX for the same underlying model of chat. I'm sure it's good, but I'm not going to sit at my computer talking to it, and in fact I think talking may be a worse signal to noise ratio than typing, as I can easily use shortcuts with written text.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by nuz »

d--b wrote: post #233

> My immediate plan is to work on my personal projects and see what happens. Those of you who’ve followed me for a while may have a sense for what that might look like Does anyone here know?

I imagine he's talking about his youtube series (look forward to it!)

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Post by polshaw »

detourdog wrote: post #241
bamboozled wrote: post #225

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I'm almost certain this is because you're getting use to chat bots. How would they honestly be getting worse? Initially it felt like the singularity was at hand. You've played with it, got to know it, the computer was taking to you, it was your friend, it was exciting then you got bored with your new friend and it wasn't as great as you remember it. Dating is often like this. You meet someone, have some amazing intim…

Google search got worse.

And Amazon search, youtube search. There do seem to be somewhat different incentives involved though, those examples are primarily about increasingly pushing lower quality content (ads, more profitable items, more engaging items) because it makes more money.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by OJFord »

vintermann wrote: post #246
OJFord wrote: post #204

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I suppose it depends what you use it for; my time in search engine has reduced massively - and so has time 'not in the tool I'm trying to use' because it's been so much faster for me to find answers to some queries with ChatGPT than a search engine. I'm not particularly interested in having it outright program for me (other than say to sketch how to do something as inspiration, which I'll rewrite rather than copy) be…

Coding assistants copy your style to a fault. You got to be careful about things like typos in comments, or it'll start suggesting sloppy code as well. And conversely you have to be careful about overly bureaucratic conventions (doc comments for things entirely described by their name, etc.), or it will suggest overly wrapped hypercorporate code. But used as autocomplete, it's definitively a time saver. Most of us re…

I assumed that was not what we were talking about, because I replied to:

> Personally, the chat UI is the main limiting factor in my own adoption, because a) it’s not in the tool I’m trying to use, [...]

though I haven't tried it through some combination of it the effort to set it up & it not particularly appealing to me anyway. The best it could possibly be would be like pair programming (back seat) with someone who does things the same way as you, and reviewing their code. I read faster than I type, but probably don't review non-trivial code faster than I type it. (That's not a brag, I just mean I think it's harder and takes longer to reason about something you haven't written, to understand it, and be confident you're not missing anything or haven't (both) failed to consider xyz.)

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Post by ronhav3 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #254
bayindirh wrote: post #245

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You don't lose your luster only by not innovating. Altman saga, allowing military use and other small things step by step tarnish your reputation and pushes you to the mediocrity or worse. Microsoft has many great development stories (read Raymond Chen's blog to be awed), but what they did at the end to other competitors and how they behave removed their luster, permanently for some people.

"allowing military use" That would actually increase their standing in my eyes. Not too far from where I live, Russian bombing is destroying homes of people whose language is similar to mine and whose "fault" is that they don't want to submit to rule from Moscow, direct or indirect. If OpenAI can somehow help stop that, I am all for it.

Yep. AI is, and will be used militarily.

These virtue signaling games are childish.

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Post by steveBK123 »

jdd33 wrote: post #40
choppaface wrote: post #33

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And got very bored and unhappy with big company issues. And has the perspective from his time at Tesla to know how things only get worse for creativity at that stage.

Its not a good thing if true. Tech and creative folk have to find ways to stick around or the financial folk fill the leadership and decision making space.

It's a hard thing to manage. Tech orgs of ~20 people are just more fun than tech orgs of 200 people, which are more fun that tech orgs of 20,000 people which.. you get the picture.

You can create and encourage small teams, but then they need to coordinate somehow. Coordination & communication overhead grows exponentially. Then you get all the "no silos" guys and then its all over..

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by dizhn »

bayindirh wrote: post #259
inglor_cz wrote: post #254

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"allowing military use" That would actually increase their standing in my eyes. Not too far from where I live, Russian bombing is destroying homes of people whose language is similar to mine and whose "fault" is that they don't want to submit to rule from Moscow, direct or indirect. If OpenAI can somehow help stop that, I am all for it.

On the other hand, Israel is using AI to generate their bombing targets and pound Gaza strip with bombs non-stop [0]. And, according to UN, Turkey has used AI powered, autonomous littering drones to hit military convoys in Libya [1]. Regardless of us vs. them, AI shouldn't be a part of warfare, IMHO. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how... [1]: https://www.voanews.com/a/africa_possible-fi…

I would be very surprised if Turkey was capable of doing that. If they did, that's all Erdoğan would be talking about. Also it's a bit weird that the linked article's source is a Turkish name. (Economy and theology major too)

I am not saying this is anything but it's definetely tingling my "something's up" senses.

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Post by denverllc »

bayindirh wrote: post #245
al_borland wrote: post #156

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I know things keep moving faster and faster, especially in this space, but GPT-4 is less than a year old. Claiming they are losing their luster, because they aren’t shaking the earth with new models every quarter, seems a little ridiculous. As the popularity has exploded, and ethical questions have become increasingly relevant, it is probably worth taking some time to nail certain aspects down before releasing everyt…

You don't lose your luster only by not innovating. Altman saga, allowing military use and other small things step by step tarnish your reputation and pushes you to the mediocrity or worse. Microsoft has many great development stories (read Raymond Chen's blog to be awed), but what they did at the end to other competitors and how they behave removed their luster, permanently for some people.

I don’t think a lot of companies care whether they lose their luster to techies since corporations and most individuals will still buy their product. MSFT was $12 in 2000 (when they had their antitrust lawsuit) and is $400 now.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by kj99 »

bayindirh wrote: post #259
inglor_cz wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"allowing military use" That would actually increase their standing in my eyes. Not too far from where I live, Russian bombing is destroying homes of people whose language is similar to mine and whose "fault" is that they don't want to submit to rule from Moscow, direct or indirect. If OpenAI can somehow help stop that, I am all for it.

On the other hand, Israel is using AI to generate their bombing targets and pound Gaza strip with bombs non-stop [0]. And, according to UN, Turkey has used AI powered, autonomous littering drones to hit military convoys in Libya [1]. Regardless of us vs. them, AI shouldn't be a part of warfare, IMHO. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how... [1]: https://www.voanews.com/a/africa_possible-fi…

> AI shouldn't be a part of warfare, IMHO.

Nor should nuclear weapons, guns, knives, or cudgels.

But we don’t have a way to stop them being used.

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Post by Copenjin »

weinzierl wrote: post #79
skybrian wrote: post #36

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Examples? (I'm not that familiar with field.)

Andrej Karpathy is badmephisto, a name you might have heard of if you're into cubing. http://badmephisto.com/

10 years ago: https://youtu.be/WhPjlnWbtS8?feature=shared&t=359
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