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Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by danaris »

alberto180 wrote: post #179
crazygringo wrote: post #167

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Extraordinarily few people reach the cycle limit of the SSD on their Mac. That's not something to worry about for probably 99.999% of people, so it's just a weird thing to bring up. And how do you know you're not seeing many old MacBooks? The MBA was launched over a decade and a half ago and it still looks almost identical to a casual observer.

That's why there are so many reports about M1 Notebooks dying after 3/4 years out there. There are huge noticeable differences between a 10 year MBA and a recent one

You may be thinking of the bugs that were present in the very first generation of M1s, that caused them to erroneously display a wear level much higher than they were actually experiencing.

And as long as you have the Silver color option, a MacBook Air from 2023 looks very much like a MacBook Air from 2014 if you're not stopping and looking closely at it.

If you have one of the colored ones, those date back to 2018 with, again, a very similar design to today's.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by ghusto »

hwbehrens wrote: post #35
ghusto wrote: post #30

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In the U.S.A., people use iMessage by default, because they use text messaging. People don't use texts in Europe (we use WhatsApp and similar, but WhatsApp by a long margin). The reason people still use texts in the U.S.A. is up for debate, and it's something I've thought about for a long time.

I think it's a historical artifact -- by the time that iMessage launched, the US was well into the phase of free, unlimited texting, so there was no barrier to "just texting". Since there was also no barrier (in terms of costs, subscriptions, or installation friction) to using iMessage, it was a drop-in upgrade of the user experience for SMS. In contrast, I still have to pay a fee to send SMS messages to my European…

Makes sense. Another thing that occurred to me a while ago was that iPhones have a 61% market share in the U.S.A., whereas Android dominates in Europe (65%). So it could well be that people in Europe with iPhones don't bother trying to use iMessage because it's statistically unlikely the recipient has an iPhone.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by ghusto »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #128
ghusto wrote: post #30

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In the U.S.A., people use iMessage by default, because they use text messaging. People don't use texts in Europe (we use WhatsApp and similar, but WhatsApp by a long margin). The reason people still use texts in the U.S.A. is up for debate, and it's something I've thought about for a long time.

US was a first-mover and had early telcom penetration, so SMS became culturally ubiquitous since it was the tech of the era. Late-movers could skip that and go straight to data-based telcoms and never had to deal with the critical culture mass of SMS while the US was stuck bolting on to and bridging SMS. It's like being able to skip over copper and go straight to fiber optics.

I don't know about that. I remember back in the nineties we were all using SMS in England. Pretty much all my friends had a mobile, and we treated SMS like social media DMs.

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Post by smoldesu »

acdha wrote: post #147
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #146

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>they care when apps stop allowing them to watch DRMed content or they can’t get the latest version anymore because it requires a newer API version. And what's the cutoff point for that on Android? I have an Android 9 phone I keep around for tinkering and every ap I need still works just fine. > to learn that the phone they “just” bought is no longer supported. In which universe your Android you just bough becomes ou…

> In which universe your Android you just bough becomes outdated? The real one? I know multiple people who paid decent money ($2-300) for phones they saw on sale while shopping, not realizing that they were close to the end of the manufacturer’s run and about to stop getting updates. I used to have a Lenovo tablet which never saw an update to the version of Android released a couple months before the hardware shipped…

OEM updates =! Play Store updates

I've had phones that hadn't received OEM updates in a half-decade but still ran Netflix just fine. Quite literally, the only thing you're describing right here is the TLS cutoff which also exists for Apple devices.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by alberto180 »

crazygringo wrote: post #186
alberto180 wrote: post #179

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That's why there are so many reports about M1 Notebooks dying after 3/4 years out there. There are huge noticeable differences between a 10 year MBA and a recent one

Except there aren't reports of that. Just tried googling and couldn't find anything about SSD failure actually happening. What I did find was some fearmongering back in 2021 about whether it might become a thing, but it seems like it was entirely hypothetical and never actually happened. Also the M1 has only been around for a little over 3 years. They can't be dying after 4 years because they're not that old. Where a…

Then try again. Rossmann Made a video about it, here is another article talking about it https://www.sir-apfelot.de/en/ssd-failures-in-macbook-models...

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by ghaff »

hpeter wrote: post #181
ghaff wrote: post #116

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Yeah, as an American who actually knows a fair number of people overseas, there are probably a literal handful of people who I communicate with on a regular basis there and I use a variety of channels but SMS/iMessage works fine one a day-to-day basis for most folks.

As an European who lived in multiple countries, I haven't used SMS in 10 years for anything other than 2FA.

The US probably moved to SMS being basically free (domestically) before Europe did. As a result it seems that the US standardized on SMS (and basically transparently iMessage) because that's what was just there. I never get a Whatsapp message from someone in the US and rarely anything other than SMS/iMessage. I suspect the vast majority of people I know don't have Whatsapp installed. I use it with people I know internationally.

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Post by soundnote »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #162
elevatedastalt wrote: post #150

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In short, all the things Google or Microsoft are criticized for are Okay when Apple does it.

No, it has rather obvious technical implications that people like to pretend do not exist. Those features people use are effectively not portable to other platforms short of making iOS run on other people's hardware. Sure, the messaging might be portable, ignoring the security concerns, but iMessage is used for a lot more than that. In short, any portable version would still be nerfed, just slightly less nerfed than…

What wouldn't work cross-platform?

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Post by jandrewrogers »

soundnote wrote: post #197
jandrewrogers wrote: post #162

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No, it has rather obvious technical implications that people like to pretend do not exist. Those features people use are effectively not portable to other platforms short of making iOS run on other people's hardware. Sure, the messaging might be portable, ignoring the security concerns, but iMessage is used for a lot more than that. In short, any portable version would still be nerfed, just slightly less nerfed than…

What wouldn't work cross-platform?

Because it has substantive features that don't exist on Android or any other mobile OS. Those features aren't trivial, would be difficult or impossible to replicate, and people use them for serious things.

I don't have a dog in this fight but no one complaining ever really addresses this. iMessage is not just a chat app, even though many people like to pretend it is. It only looks like a chat app if you are not on iOS.

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Post by sakex »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #51
sakex wrote: post #6

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Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho

I think this mostly tells us you are an American with an Iphone, in Sweden other apps are popular to the point that the Mac media celebrates the release of an WhatsApp beta : https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antl...

I'm Swiss with a Pixel 7 Pro

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by sakex »

soco wrote: post #14
sakex wrote: post #6

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Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho

Swiss datapoint: my whole extended family/friends circle has iPhones and they only use WhatsApp (and FaceTime for video). I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before.

Hey I'm also swiss but we have a weird edge case where most people have an iPhone but still use WhatsApp
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