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Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by SiempreViernes »

sakex wrote: post #6
zinekeller wrote: post #3

I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.

Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho

I think this mostly tells us you are an American with an Iphone, in Sweden other apps are popular to the point that the Mac media celebrates the release of an WhatsApp beta: https://www.macworld.se/article/2077773/whatsapp-kommer-antl...

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Post by hwbehrens »

10729287 wrote: post #33
sakex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Swedes I know use iMessage actually. That's very anecdotal tho

French here. I still use iMessage for family and friends one to one discussions but group chats are exclusively on WhatsApp here… and I’ve got tons. Too much. For every circle and sometimes more than one per circle depending on the subject. Are US people using iMessage for this ?

> Are US people using iMessage for this?

Often, yes.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by troupo »

retskrad wrote: post #48

I believe the assertion suggesting that iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate. The iMessage platform, in itself, does not possess an inherent quality that renders the iPhone more appealing to consumers. On the contrary, it is the iPhone's inherent appeal that enhances the attractiveness of iMessage. The prestige of the iPhone imparts…

> This is why the the iPhone is still a status symbol among the middle class and richest people in the EU

wat?

iPhone costs as much as an equivalent Android (and has for some time), and since you can get it with your phone subscription for a rather low monthly payment, it hasn't been a status symbol for a decade or more.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by dktp »

bni wrote: post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

The fact that the software I have on my Mac is not tied to what I can download from Apple Store is basically the sole reason it's useful to me

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by troupo »

kj99 wrote: post #16
bni wrote: post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

This - they should just mandate RCS, or maybe actually invest in developing a modern European standard and then mandate that. It’s not like they don’t have research universities with CS departments who could be part of a standards body. I don’t mean they should limit alternatives - just that they should require a modern, E2EE standard on all phones, and then we can all just shut up about this.

> they should just mandate RCS

RCS doesn't have e2ee in the standard.

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Post by freedomben »

hwbehrens wrote: post #35
ghusto wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the U.S.A., people use iMessage by default, because they use text messaging. People don't use texts in Europe (we use WhatsApp and similar, but WhatsApp by a long margin). The reason people still use texts in the U.S.A. is up for debate, and it's something I've thought about for a long time.

I think it's a historical artifact -- by the time that iMessage launched, the US was well into the phase of free, unlimited texting, so there was no barrier to "just texting". Since there was also no barrier (in terms of costs, subscriptions, or installation friction) to using iMessage, it was a drop-in upgrade of the user experience for SMS. In contrast, I still have to pay a fee to send SMS messages to my European…

> In contrast, I still have to pay a fee to send SMS messages to my European relatives

Oh wow, yeah that's definitely a big reason people would use what's app instead. That's wild to think about and makes no sense. Any idea why that is? Is it regulatory reasons maybe?

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Post by freedomben »

pbmonster wrote: post #38
bni wrote: post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

> way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores" It's not only alternative app stores. It's browsers with ad-blockers, youtube clients that auto-skip sponsor messages in the middle of videos and apps for $0, that cost money on the main app store - although their code is open source.

> apps for $0, that cost money on the main app store - although their code is open source

Interesting, I'm generally very opposed to Apple's way, but this sounds like a real unexpected benefit (silver lining on the cloud maybe?). It enables what I've long asked for from devs, mainly that they make the source available to paying customers.

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Post by tremarley »

retskrad wrote: post #48

I believe the assertion suggesting that iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate. The iMessage platform, in itself, does not possess an inherent quality that renders the iPhone more appealing to consumers. On the contrary, it is the iPhone's inherent appeal that enhances the attractiveness of iMessage. The prestige of the iPhone imparts…

‘iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate.’

If you ask many iPhone users why they use an iPhone rather than an Android. They would tell you iMessage first.

Many iPhone users won’t even consider an Android, only because of iMessage and no other reason.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

retskrad wrote: post #48

I believe the assertion suggesting that iMessage plays a pivotal role in the success of the iPhone and contributes significantly to Apple's business is inaccurate. The iMessage platform, in itself, does not possess an inherent quality that renders the iPhone more appealing to consumers. On the contrary, it is the iPhone's inherent appeal that enhances the attractiveness of iMessage. The prestige of the iPhone imparts…

iMessage popularity has little to do with status and everything to do with iPhone users refusing to use other messaging apps. If you want to text an iPhone and you don’t have iMessage chances are you will be forced to use sms which is utterly trash. I’ve been unable to convince my friends to use a messaging app so if I want to text them I pretty much need an iPhone.

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Post by tremarley »

thejohnconway wrote: post #32
zinekeller wrote: post #3

I'm not surprised by the iMessage decision*, but on the Bing case I'm personally still on the bench. I guess that API-only use is exempt from DMA? * Americans, virtually no one uses iMessage outside your country, or at least to the point that it'll force you to get an iPhone. Even Japan, with their love with iPhones, uses a homegrown service for their messaging needs.

Pretty common in the UK. I think iMessage is common in English speaking countries with high iPhone usage.

It’s common in the UK, but it isn’t the most used messaging app.

WhatsApp is more common in the UK

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