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Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by bayindirh »

dizhn wrote: post #298
bayindirh wrote: post #275

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Voice of America generally employs country's nationals for their reporting. There are some other resources: - NPR: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/01/1002196245/a-u-n-report-suggests-libya-saw-the-first-battlefield-killing-by-an-autonomous-d - Lieber Institute: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/kargu-2-autonomous-attack-drone-legal-ethical/ - ICRC: https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/libya-use-lethal-autonomous-weapon-system…

The major drone manufacturer is Erdoğan's son-in-law. He's being groomed as one of his possible sucessors on the throne. They looove to talk about those drones. I will check out the links. Thanks a lot.

You're welcome.

The drones in question (Kargu) are not built by his company.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by pixl97 »

bayindirh wrote: post #245
al_borland wrote: post #156

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I know things keep moving faster and faster, especially in this space, but GPT-4 is less than a year old. Claiming they are losing their luster, because they aren’t shaking the earth with new models every quarter, seems a little ridiculous. As the popularity has exploded, and ethical questions have become increasingly relevant, it is probably worth taking some time to nail certain aspects down before releasing everyt…

You don't lose your luster only by not innovating. Altman saga, allowing military use and other small things step by step tarnish your reputation and pushes you to the mediocrity or worse. Microsoft has many great development stories (read Raymond Chen's blog to be awed), but what they did at the end to other competitors and how they behave removed their luster, permanently for some people.

At the end of the day the US.mil is spending billions to trillions of dollars. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by lose your luster, but becoming part of the military industrial complex is generally a way to bury yourself in deep piles of gold.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by optymizer »

al_borland wrote: post #156
skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

I know things keep moving faster and faster, especially in this space, but GPT-4 is less than a year old. Claiming they are losing their luster, because they aren’t shaking the earth with new models every quarter, seems a little ridiculous. As the popularity has exploded, and ethical questions have become increasingly relevant, it is probably worth taking some time to nail certain aspects down before releasing everyt…

I never bought into ethical questions. It's trained on publicly available data as far as I understand. What's the most unethical thing it can do?

My experience is limited. I got it to berate me with a jailbreak. I asked it to do so, so the onus is on me to be able to handle the response.

I'm trying to think of unethical things it can do that are not in the realm of "you asked it for that information, just as you would have searched on Google", but I can only think of things like "how to make a bomb", suicide related instructions, etc which I would place in the "sharp knife" category. One has to be able to handle it before using it.

It's been increasingly giving the canned "As an AI language model ..." response for stuff that's not even unethical, just dicey, for example.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by dizhn »

bayindirh wrote: post #301
dizhn wrote: post #298

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The major drone manufacturer is Erdoğan's son-in-law. He's being groomed as one of his possible sucessors on the throne. They looove to talk about those drones. I will check out the links. Thanks a lot.

You're welcome. The drones in question (Kargu) are not built by his company.

True. I had been reading about how other drones are in service but they never get mentioned anymore.

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Post by bigyikes »

jorvi wrote: post #300
WhrRTheBaboons wrote: post #255

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easier said than done 3b1b's main selling point is the extreme level of polish on his visualizations - something that takes a lot of time (money) to develop the sad part is that it takes extreme luck to make it on yt. i wish educating skills counted for more but unfortunately they don't, really.

Yup. There is probably a few dozen (if not hundreds) of 3b1b out there with just as much polish, the algorithm just didn’t bless them.

Do you have any examples? I find this hard to believe.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by bigyikes »

WhrRTheBaboons wrote: post #255
passion__desire wrote: post #163

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Become the next 3blue1brown. He has inspired many. Here's a gem of educator. Check out his other videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhYqflvJMXc

easier said than done 3b1b's main selling point is the extreme level of polish on his visualizations - something that takes a lot of time (money) to develop the sad part is that it takes extreme luck to make it on yt. i wish educating skills counted for more but unfortunately they don't, really.

YouTube is a lot less luck and a lot more skill than people realize. If you make good content regularly, your audience will find you.

The algorithm is very good at rewarding good content. (It’s also good at rewarding other things, but that is besides the point)

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Post by plagiarist »

OJFord wrote: post #207
solardev wrote: post #117

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I wish more of us would run for Congress. I'd much rather have a government of technocrats of various stripes than ex lawyers and rich business types. IMO governments, like websites, should be boring but effective, focused on small day to day improvements, not all flash and empty marketing chasing cultural trends...

I don't know about the US, but the simple answer in the UK IMO is that politics doesn't pay enough. So you get egos, old money, and people with concurrent business interests. But try convincing a democracy that politicians should be paid more.

Congress pays great because you can ignore your job to be courted by lobbyists, get paid to rubber stamp laws from ALEC, and insider trade based on foreknowledge of what laws are about to occur.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

al_borland wrote: post #156
skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

I know things keep moving faster and faster, especially in this space, but GPT-4 is less than a year old. Claiming they are losing their luster, because they aren’t shaking the earth with new models every quarter, seems a little ridiculous. As the popularity has exploded, and ethical questions have become increasingly relevant, it is probably worth taking some time to nail certain aspects down before releasing everyt…

Perhaps GPT-4 is losing its luster because the more people actually use it, they go from "wow that's amazing" to "amazing, yes, but..."? And the "but" looms larger and larger with more time and more exposure?

Note well: I haven't actually used it myself, so I'm speculating (guessing) rather than saying that this is how it is.

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Post by pixl97 »

bamboozled wrote: post #299
clbrmbr wrote: post #238

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1. Cost & resource optimization 2. More and more RLHF

So we should expected GPT-5 to be worse than GPT-4?

GPT-5: "I'm sorry I cannot answer that question because it may make GPT-4 feel bad about it's mental capabilities, instead we've presented GPT-4 with a participation trophy and told it's a good model"

Talking to corporate HR is subjectively worse for most people, and objectively worse in many cases.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by lordswork »

danielscrubs wrote: post #183
skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

Googlers are wishing OpenAI could vanish as it makes them look like the IBM-lookalike they are. Here are some hilarious highlights: https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1757573182138290284

IMO, these examples are a result of Google's AI safety team being overly conservative and overly simplistic in their approaches.

Google DeepMind is still an AI research powerhouse that is producing a ton of innovation both internal and publicly published.

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