I attended DS in the mid-90s, slightly before @girzel (who does great work btw!). DS is essentially a transfer school that offers no tenure and whose small student body is on a two-year program. That is a recipe for rapid cultural change and little institutional memory inside the valley. Which is to say, Harrison got a snapshot of a very peculiar place, which is now peculiar in very different ways. The school went co…
Hi Chris! I also felt like the essay suffered a lot from generalization -- Harrison happened to talk to these three people, and extrapolated way too much from that.
My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
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Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#42Does the image https://d18pp9dg727fce.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/200... from the article load for anyone? For me, from multiple browsers, it shows as a very broken JPG that's clearly had a few bit flips and as a result is just blocky garbage on my browsers. Curious if this is bitrot from AWS or what.
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#43Does the image https://d18pp9dg727fce.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/200... from the article load for anyone? For me, from multiple browsers, it shows as a very broken JPG that's clearly had a few bit flips and as a result is just blocky garbage on my browsers. Curious if this is bitrot from AWS or what.
Looks kind of pretty though. Like a blocky sunset.
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#44Instead of offering a traditional undergraduate program that teaches largely from modern textbooks, students work through what the institution calls a “Great Books” curriculum of the “foundational texts of Western civilization” across a variety of subjects: https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/undergraduate/great-bo...
I have, however, read some accounts online that the program has flaws with the way it teaches mathematics, where some students claim that an approach through historical texts is less effective than one with more current books. In any case, I think it’s interesting that non-traditional institutions with largely respected reputations exist, like St. John’s and the colleges in the article and the discussion so far.
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#45Current resident of deep springs college, happy to answer any questions.
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#46Blackburn College is also a work college and was established in 1837. My dad was an alumnus back in the Great Depression. It was all he could afford... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_College_(Illinois)
Berea College is similar. I met a super smart student from there years ago. Interestingly, they were also early pioneers in being co-ed and racially integrated. "Berea College is a private liberal arts work college in Berea, Kentucky. Founded in 1855, Berea College was the first college in the Southern United States to be coeducational and racially integrated. It was integrated from as early as 1866 until 1904, and a…
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#47I figured the story would take a dark turn, like a horror flick.
Au contraire! This is a story about a bunch of self righteous pricks whose peckers get antibiotic resistant STDs.
This was great, thank you. (The moral lesson is interesting too but I don't want to spoil it)
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#48Deep Springs gives the 24 2-year students all the responsibility: to pick faculty and students, to actually run the ranch, and to govern themselves.
Part of that is ensuring each generation of students decides for themselves: practices survive only if the current generation adopts them.
Another part is that people commit to taking you seriously; i.e., you will be held responsible for your bullshit (er: taken at your word), e.g., "the people who read this essay at the school thought my idea was groundbreaking" means "The most interesting thing was this essay, so they went with it."
Another part is the "isolation" policy: students don't leave during term, and more generally avoid outside influences (the internet has been a big issue, obviously). The goal is for you, together only with the people you have with you, to take full responsibility, and gain full authority, using what you have at hand.
As a consequence, outside interest is Deep Springs, while necessary for the validation to recruit good students, is mostly discouraged -- to avoid influencing how the current students decide how to run things, and certainly to avoid visitors or internet conflagrations.
It's extremely rare for students to have this combination of freedom and responsibility and feedback. It should be replicated. It's almost always life-changing. So if you know any brilliant, caring, and productive people about to start college, please ask them to consider Deep Springs.
Otherwise, please forget about it :)
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#49This reminded me of another unconventional institution called St. John’s College, though it does offer a four-year degree. Instead of offering a traditional undergraduate program that teaches largely from modern textbooks, students work through what the institution calls a “Great Books” curriculum of the “foundational texts of Western civilization” across a variety of subjects: https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/u…
Most people that are frustrated by one of the two things I mentioned above, either experience a shift in perspective, or do not complete their studies at St. John's.
Afaik they have been trying to fudge these numbers over the past few years because admin thinks it makes the school look bad, but fewer than 50% of freshman that enroll in the college will graduate. And at least a third of those that leave don't make it past the first semester.
[1] Just to paint a few broad strokes of the highlights of our math program: Freshman study Euclid's Elements and Optics, Archimedes, and Claudius Ptolemy's Almagest, Sophomores study Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler's Astronomia Nova, and Apollonius' Conics. Junior's study Newton, Maxwell, Oresme, Leibniz, Pascal, Descartes, and Dedekind. And Senior's work through Einstein, Lorentz, and Minkowski's relativity papers, before rounding the whole thing off with Lobochevsky, Bertrand Russell, and Gödel.
Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)
#50> One of the most embarrassing moments came when they asked me a question about Carl Jung, whom I had quoted in one of my essays. I had included a few lines about how Carl Jung believed this or that. > “Have you ever actually read any books by Carl Jung?” one of the students asked me. > “No, I’ve never read a single thing by him,” I answered truthfully. > “Then how can you possibly have a large quote from him in your…