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My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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There is immutable self reflection in the author's account of his experience/s. That reflection also leads to immutable knowledge of self, in general. The lesson is hammering the nail not only on the head, but purely, intently, and straight.

Be who you are, or who you want to be. Do not trust the images of conformity around you, for they wear a mask more often than not.

Raise your own awareness - something often lacking our everyday experiences, for all of us.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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> One of the most embarrassing moments came when they asked me a question about Carl Jung, whom I had quoted in one of my essays. I had included a few lines about how Carl Jung believed this or that. > “Have you ever actually read any books by Carl Jung?” one of the students asked me. > “No, I’ve never read a single thing by him,” I answered truthfully. > “Then how can you possibly have a large quote from him in your…

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Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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I drive past there semi-regularly since one of the experiments I work on is in the White Mountains (near Barcroft Station) and Deep Springs is on the way between Las Vegas and the experiment site. Would be fun to try to visit sometime...

I visited a friend who was attending Deep Springs back in 1995 or 1996, when we were both first-year students. Because I was too young to rent a car, I had to take a bus out of Las Vegas, and get picked up by someone from Deep Springs coming over the pass in a pickup. This is the Lida Junction mentioned in the article. Very memorably, the "bus stop" was just an intersection with a dirt road, with (1) a phone booth (2…

> Very memorably, the "bus stop" was just an intersection with a dirt road, with (1) a phone booth (2) a brothel.

They mentioned that in the article a couple of times. I wonder if it's still that way? Sometimes Vegas seems like a different country.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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I attended DS in the mid-90s, slightly before @girzel (who does great work btw!).

DS is essentially a transfer school that offers no tenure and whose small student body is on a two-year program. That is a recipe for rapid cultural change and little institutional memory inside the valley. Which is to say, Harrison got a snapshot of a very peculiar place, which is now peculiar in very different ways.

The school went co-ed a few years ago (it had spent the previous century as an all-male school). That brought a sea change.

Harrison is correct, I suppose, to say that every institution is deeply human and no one should be intimidated by them. But he is wrong to extrapolate too much about DS based on his visit there.

Even people who spent years of their lives there would have trouble generalizing about it in ways that accurately encompass decades.

If I could try to generalize about DS, I would say: it has traditionally been a place where excellent weirdos learn and work together, and which puts tremendous pressure on them, for good and bad. I have not experienced a more intense or sincere learning environment before or since.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Current resident of deep springs college, happy to answer any questions.

What made you choose Deep Springs? How are the career prospects? What are the pros and cons of studying there for you?

I am not a student at Deep Springs, but I can speak generally to different motivations of students and myself (staff).

One of the more interesting things about Deep Springs is that the students are definitely counter cultural but also very competitive and generally academically (or at least intellectually) straight-laced/standouts. That's the zone of genius they were in before they came here, so afterwards, they go to schools you'd expect them to go. Until the 1960s, many (most?) students went to Cornell to the Telluride house (also founded by Nunn) to finish their undergrad.

What they do next is usually more interesting. When accepting the scholarship to attend deep springs, students agree to commit themselves to a life of service to humanity. At the founding, becoming a titan of industry (emulating the founder) was definitely seen as such, but, as you can imagine, ideas have shifted with generations. Pursuing advanced degrees is pretty popular, and many alums have gone on to work in higher education.

When I was getting driven in by a student for my interview as a staff member, they asked me why I wanted to work there. After I gave some answer, I asked her why she decided to study at deep springs. She told me that of her options (including top US schools), deep springs seemed to be the hardest and the only place where she would get real feedback. After listening to her answer and talking to her about it, I decided I wanted to work at deep springs because I prefer to work with that quality of student, and, if I can work with 24 or so, even better.

These guys all come in very talented academically and in some cases professionally, and, for my money, the education that they get -- especially in politics and common sense -- helps round them in a way which is very rare in other colleges or learning communities. That high-minded conversations flow from the seminar to the ditch digging crew is why I would suggest a place like deep springs (or something like the Thiel Fellowship) versus reading lots of books in your spare time and working on a farm if you are a bright but disenchanted student.

Cons are a lifestyle which is very much out of sync with the rest of the world and expectations. Any resident is committing to live in a small village (mostly 18-24 y/os, usually And if you're a student, you are committing to participate in a democratic game in which your peers (and yourself) will regulate your actions, e.g. no wifi on personal devices, only shared desktop computers. But as you can imagine, it's hard to get such regulations passed.

Depending on how you cope, the entire project might be a con, ha! That is, the program demands nearly all of the time of a student for 2 years. For some, that is too much of a burden. But for many it's their first introduction to working that hard that continuously. After their time, most deep springers would be great high-potential, low-experience start up employees, for example.

An easy way of thinking about deep springs today is that it's a modern seminary or monastery.

I like working on projects like deep springs because the marriage of mind and body. It has been rare for me to find good concentrations of folks who want to physically work until they're exhausted and who are also incredibly curious (and rigorous in their curiosity) about the world.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Question: TASP, a related summer program, has recently gone through some painful convolutions related to race and inequality[1]. How much if at all has Deep Springs been affected by currents like this? [1] https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/a-c...

TASP was renamed TASS a couple years ago, and it now offers only two seminars: Critical Black Studies and Anti-Oppressive Studies. The program has been taken over by woke radicals both on its board and in the administration, which is led by Amina Omari, someone with near-zero experience in education prior to her appointment. I receive desperate emails from them asking for volunteers and financial support, which suggest that they have lost some of their base due to their political choices.

Deep Springs is on a different track, but not a totally dissimilar one. That is, the school has been attempting to feminize for decades, a process that culminated in its conversion to co-education in 2018 after a long legal battle. I get the school's newsletters and see occasional land acknowledgements penned by privileged people of color, which tracks with a known trend in US liberal arts colleges.

But the real shift at DS, triggered by co-education, seems to be that it's less hard-core. One person called it "Benningtonization". The boys and girls all hive off into pairs, and the communal life of mind and labor and governance shrinks as it cedes ground to America's default version of life together, the romantic couple.

But the school has gone through many phases. This is no doubt a temporary one.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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post #25

I attended DS in the mid-90s, slightly before @girzel (who does great work btw!). DS is essentially a transfer school that offers no tenure and whose small student body is on a two-year program. That is a recipe for rapid cultural change and little institutional memory inside the valley. Which is to say, Harrison got a snapshot of a very peculiar place, which is now peculiar in very different ways. The school went co…

Hi Chris!

I also felt like the essay suffered a lot from generalization -- Harrison happened to talk to these three people, and extrapolated way too much from that.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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I drive past there semi-regularly since one of the experiments I work on is in the White Mountains (near Barcroft Station) and Deep Springs is on the way between Las Vegas and the experiment site. Would be fun to try to visit sometime...

Is that on highway 168? Beautiful drive. Always loved the Westgaard Pass.

Yes, the eastern segment, there is also a western discontiguous segment of CA 168.

There is of course an interesting history about this road: https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd499744....

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