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My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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I attended Deep Springs 1996/97. The school goes through semi-regular cultural oscillations between "mean" and "nice"; between what we'd now call toxic masculinity, and sort of a peace-and-love hippie friendliness. Students play a large role in admitting the incoming class, and tend to admit people like them, until the culture swings too far in one direction and they start correcting.

It sounds like this guy visited during a "mean" period, which is too bad. I attended during an upswing into a "nice" period, and it felt well balanced. My application interview was one of the most memorable experiences of my life -- I'd never had anyone pay that kind of close attention to anything I'd written, or what I thought. It woke me all the way up, in a sense where I'd gone through most of my teenage years asleep, and was enormously bracing. When they finally let me out, I emerged into the main room, where some guy reading on a sofa looked up and asked, "How was it?" I don't remember exactly what I said, but it communicated something along the lines of "holy shit that was a thrill!". I still suspect he communicated my attitude back to the applications committee and that played a part in getting accepted.

So far as I know, no one during my two years visited the Cottontail Ranch :)

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Current resident of deep springs college, happy to answer any questions.

Fascinating. As I read this, I was mostly wondering about how much time the students were spending on the admissions process for new students.

This guy was just one applicant, and he spent a whole week there by himself, and all of the students reportedly spent time dissecting and discussing his 50+ pages of essays and participating in his four-hour interview. How does that scale? It seems like this would be an all-consuming thing for a whole admissions cycle. Does the whole academic program just revolve around these essays? Or are the assigned essay topics directly related to what the students are studying?

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Blackburn College is also a work college and was established in 1837. My dad was an alumnus back in the Great Depression. It was all he could afford... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_College_(Illinois)

Berea College is similar. I met a super smart student from there years ago. Interestingly, they were also early pioneers in being co-ed and racially integrated.

"Berea College is a private liberal arts work college in Berea, Kentucky. Founded in 1855, Berea College was the first college in the Southern United States to be coeducational and racially integrated. It was integrated from as early as 1866 until 1904, and again after 1954... As a work college, Berea has a student work program in which all students work on campus 10 or more hours per week."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berea_College

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Question: TASP, a related summer program, has recently gone through some painful convolutions related to race and inequality[1]. How much if at all has Deep Springs been affected by currents like this?

[1] https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/a-c...

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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I drive past there semi-regularly since one of the experiments I work on is in the White Mountains (near Barcroft Station) and Deep Springs is on the way between Las Vegas and the experiment site. Would be fun to try to visit sometime...

I visited a friend who was attending Deep Springs back in 1995 or 1996, when we were both first-year students.

Because I was too young to rent a car, I had to take a bus out of Las Vegas, and get picked up by someone from Deep Springs coming over the pass in a pickup. This is the Lida Junction mentioned in the article.

Very memorably, the "bus stop" was just an intersection with a dirt road, with (1) a phone booth (2) a brothel.

Re: My Visit to Deep Springs College (2009)

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Current resident of deep springs college, happy to answer any questions.

Fascinating. As I read this, I was mostly wondering about how much time the students were spending on the admissions process for new students. This guy was just one applicant, and he spent a whole week there by himself, and all of the students reportedly spent time dissecting and discussing his 50+ pages of essays and participating in his four-hour interview. How does that scale? It seems like this would be an all-co…

The application committee is a group of about 10 students and 2-4 staff and faculty. By the time of the interview, everyone will have read all parts of the applicants materials. Close reading and critique still characterizes much of the interview. But in my experience, someone can have major mistakes in the essays/tests/transcript and be admitted. Sometimes the application is deeply rooted in a specific intellectual tradition; sometimes it may ask questions like "which would win in a fight, a bear or a shark?" Usually there's a mix of both.

Like other comments here and on the OP have said, Deep Springs has many different cultural moments because of the short turn over of the students in their elected positions (and as residents), the 2 year or so retention rate for staff, and new visiting professors 4 times a year.

To your question of scale -- the college is actively against scaling. The founder hoped the school would inspire similar schools. And over the last decade or so, Outer Coast College, Tidelines Institute, Thoreau College, and Gull Island Project have all started programs based on Deep Springs. They're all coming out to the college next weekend for a summit.

Because students are constantly balancing too-much work between academics, labor, or self-governance, each year, the application committee finds a new stable point of work load each year. Based on my experience, if the students only had to work on the application committee, their first impulse would be to spend more time on it. The stakes are higher for them than it is for us, since, as the OP notes, the student body retains the authority to regulate the conduct of its members.

The academic program is relatively conventional, i.e. 4-10 person seminars with most students taking 2-4 per semester or term. The difference is the collective striving for great academic performance (written and spoken in seminar) and the ability for professors (long-term and visiting) to pitch courses they wouldn't be able to teach elsewhere (for any reason, e.g. politics, student quality, etc.).

These days, class is in the morning, labor in the afternoon, governance as schedules allow (though there are two regular meetings each week, committee meetings, such as applications, and the student body meeting). There is also a long-standing public speaking class each week during sept.-may; students give speeches on common prompts or speak on something important for the life of the community.

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