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Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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> These are apple's customers they have given you access to. More like Apple's hostages if Apple gets to dictate who does and does not have access to them.

These users can't buy an Android phone?

Why can't other companies emulate iOS?

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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The word trusted doesn't change meanings when you move to a sales context unless you're a salesman.

Trusted simply means that the arrangement benefits $bigcorp's bottom line.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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The word trusted doesn't change meanings when you move to a sales context unless you're a salesman.

It only has a very specific meaning in software. To consumers Apple's App store is trusted.

I wonder what you would happen if you really probed a "consumer" about what they mean by trusted.

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Nobody's complaining about not having the apple distribution. They're complaining about the scareware popups, designed to hurt businesses that don't pay Apple protection money.

Come on! It's not scareware! You have to admit these alternative app stores are going to be massively adopted by scammers and grifters (not saying all of the companies that will use these app stores are scammers, but all the scammers and grifters will use them). Actual real human beings are having their lives turned upside down by things like this every fucking day. Can you try to have a little bit of compassion for…

This is not a real issue on Android, where this has been the status quo forever. Are there any reasons it would be different here or is it just FUD after all?

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

30% is just too much and they don’t give anything near enough value for devs or App Store consumers.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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An open iPhone compatible is probably the answer here.

Why would anyone downvote this? Would love an explanation. Why not let Apple keep building their wall higher and higher but also let other's emulate and create interoperable alternatives. The best of all worlds.

Because it's divorced from reality. In no world will volunteers maintain parity with a trillion dollar hardware and software company covered by a multitude of patents.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

> You can't legislate that someone lose more money than they gain with access to your market.

What? Of course they can. That someone will then just leave the market, or maybe change their product more. But there is absolutely no reason why they can't.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, I tend to have a generally unfavorable view of apple. I don't like closed systems, oversimplified to the point of missing critical settings UX, etc. That said, I really don't understand the issue with their cut, or insisting on handling payments. In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. If the…

>In the vast majority of cases, these are not your customers. These are apple's customers they have given you access to. Unless I am misreading somehow, this is an unusual position. Software developers don't sell their software to Apple. They sell to the end users. Unless an intermediary rebrands the software and takes ownership of customer acquisition and support, software users are the customers of the software dev…

> software users are the customers of the software developers

Yes, but the users are also customers of the owner of the software platform that the developers are developing for. And the owner of the platform gets to set the platform's rules. Microsoft's standard practice for many years was to watch for which third party Windows applications were becoming popular, and build those features into one of their own products, thus cutting the market out from under the third party developer. I'm actually surprised that Apple hasn't done more of that.

Re: Developers revolt over Apple's new app store rules

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> Apple used to see IBM as the bad guy but somehow they've become a thousand times worse than IBM ever was. I think you would have a hard time establishing that 202x Apple is worse for independent developers than "Big Blue" IBM, let alone three orders of magnitude worse.

Tim Apple is paid to love money.

I'm not saying Apple is good, I'm saying IBM was also utterly terrible for independent developers and might have been worse.
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