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Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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> Having no overtime for salaried employees This is just the definition of "salaried employee".

Right, but it’s still wage theft when you make people work twice as much because they’re “salaried”.

How are they "made"? These are highly paid employees earning market rates.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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post #66

People thinking wage theft only affects lower wage workers, let me tell you how tech companies commit wage theft: 1. Having annual components to wages (RSUs, bonuses), making you work all year and firing you just before they have to pay you. 2. Having no overtime for salaried employees 3. Having employees work extra responsibilities that are not part of the job description by promising promotions and then not giving…

Any promises not made in writing and signed by both parties aren’t promises. None of these are theft, just poor business skills on the part of the employees. Get it in writing so you can sue later, or don’t ever count on it. It’s basic business skills.

What a terrible world to live in, where you can lie to your employees and as long as it's not in a contract, they deserve it for not having the "business skills" to know you could get away with lying.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

#114

People thinking wage theft only affects lower wage workers, let me tell you how tech companies commit wage theft: 1. Having annual components to wages (RSUs, bonuses), making you work all year and firing you just before they have to pay you. 2. Having no overtime for salaried employees 3. Having employees work extra responsibilities that are not part of the job description by promising promotions and then not giving…

The promise of salary work in America is such one sided bullcrap. Get paid the same amount of to get your work done no matter the time it takes. if it takes 6 hours or 12 hours, you'll get the same amount. But if you don't work at least 40hrs a week on salary, we're docking your pay. Oh but also, you don't get paid for any hours over 8 in a day. Salary!

To be fair, it can also work out the other way, if your employer is decent.

I'm on salary, and I'm only expected to get the work done that's on my plate, and respond to emails etc within a reasonable time frame (eg, if I get an email at 4pm on a Friday, and I don't respond to it till 11:30am Monday, that's fine so long as it's not an emergency).

If I get my work done and there's still time in the day, I'm not expected to invent busywork for myself.

But I do recognize that I'm extremely lucky to have the kind of conditions I do here.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

#115

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Not quite true, DOL will go to bat for you and fine the employer and get you paid. Violations of labor law are not simply small claims civil matters. Some employers get large fines.

The whole article is about how DOL mostly doesn't go to bat for people. Of $50 bil in wage theft, DOL recovered ~$3 bil.

Ultimately dealing with the DOL will hurt the employer financially, but the employee probably won’t see anything from it.

The lawyers will though.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

#116

People thinking wage theft only affects lower wage workers, let me tell you how tech companies commit wage theft: 1. Having annual components to wages (RSUs, bonuses), making you work all year and firing you just before they have to pay you. 2. Having no overtime for salaried employees 3. Having employees work extra responsibilities that are not part of the job description by promising promotions and then not giving…

> Having no overtime for salaried employees This is just the definition of "salaried employee".

The whole idea of salary is ridiculous. The FLSA needs to be fixed so that forcing workers to work 24/7 is explicitly banned.

This is particularly true for workers whose jobs are computer based. Companies think they can pay one shift of workers to keep the computers running 24/7. It should not be that way.

If a company wants its computing infrastructure running 24/7 it should pay for 3 shifts of workers. If not then shut down the systems at 5pm like any normal business.

Email/IM should also be disabled for workers who aren't actively on shift. Any expectation of monitoring email/IM/phone should be counted as work that requires payment and for which there is a maximum number of allowed hours a week.

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post #88

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> Since the implementation of the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy in 2019 and Title 42 in 2020, asylum seekers sent to Mexico have experienced kidnapping, rape, extortion, and other abuses by organized crime and Mexican officials. > When the United States sends migrants to Mexico, criminal cartels are enriched by kidnapping them and then extorting money from their US-based family members to secure their release. Just to co…

How is the US responsible for Mexicans raping other Mexicans? Is it our responsibility to stop all bad things from happening or just those that happen in Mexico? Should we have a police force on Mexican soil?

Because they are not from Mexico, they are from elsewhere. They applied for asylum in the US, and that policy had US immigration agents force them to go to Mexico to wait years for an asylum hearing.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

#118

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It should be as easy as going to the police.

It is, it's a state-level thing, and that serves as a check on companies that scale to be national or international. Makes lobbying over 50x more complicated. The fact that a UK publication is on about it should be a clear signal that the authors are being influenced by an international interest would like to simplify the process. Probably chipotle Here's a page that lists like, a third of the state agencies, I guess…

Guardian is an Anglo left-wing activist journalism org. They aren't a corporate front. They report things the captured US media avoids.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

#119
post #59

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> An anonymous tip and a few inspections of staff logs and payrolls would make it pretty easy to make this disappear. And culturally treating it like any other theft: a crime that should subject the thief, in a practical sense, to the risk of imprisonment.

In reality.... If you steal $100 worth of food from a store, they'll call the cops and arrest you. If the store steals wages from you in the tune of $1000+, its a.... CIVIL MATTER (waves hands).

Nah.

No one will get arrested for even stealing $1000s of dollars of luxury items on camera (at least in CA, a trend setter for other states).

https://amhsnews.org/10386/justice-awareness/shoplifting-the...

> On September 30th, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law Senate Bill No. 553, essentially making it illegal for retail workers to confront looters, burglars, and shoplifters.

> A Walgreens employee working in San Francisco told a reporter that thieves come around 15-20 times per day

> any theft under $950 is only considered a misdemeanor, which means it doesn’t lead to anything punitive by law

Edit: Present data countering the virtue signaling and get downvoted. Keep it up folks.

Re: Billions stolen in wage theft from US workers

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post #80

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This is a really shitty take. I don't think you're a decent person if that's how you truly feel.

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The conditions are very unsafe. Commercial farming has terrible air quality. Farmers have significantly higher rates of cancers including lung cancer. There is no one inspecting workplace conditions when you are hiring undocumented workers. Every bad heatwave in the southwest you hear sad stories of people in fields dying of heat exhaustion because their supervisors provide no shade for breaks or water stations. There are no standards federally even for what might be sufficient despite the massive rates of heat related deaths experienced by farm workers relative to the general population.
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