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Re: Finding a new software developer job

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Post by jiveturkey »

fbdab103 wrote: post #178
mgaunard wrote: post #5

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Now think about being the people doing the recruiting, offering to 1% of the candidates they interview and still failing 30% of them during their trial period. Hiring is a huge time sink for all people involved. The best people are hard to find and the best jobs are hard to get.

All I can think of is the recruiters who cannot have the courtesy to tell the other 99% they are no longer under consideration.

Recruiters aren't paid to not recruit. Courtesy doesn't enter into it.

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Post by bitwize »

neilv wrote: post #74

> Key Elements for Job Search Microsite > * Have a professional profile picture I don't do this, for two reasons: 1. Being a photographer taught me that I'm much better on the buttons side of the camera, not the lens side. 2. Photos really don't belong in hiring in the US. Due to the long history of unfair prejudices, which are still ongoing in some ways. Even better would be if we could remove names, for being cues…

> Photos really don't belong in hiring in the US.

Sounds like someone needs to reread Don Burleson's professional dress code tips: https://www.dba-oracle.com/dress_code.htm

Presenting a polished, professional appearance makes a real difference to employers. They can and will legally fire you (or choose not to hire you) for failure to do so.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

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Post by bitwize »

justech wrote: post #162
bradly wrote: post #41

> One company used an IQ test This is interesting. I haven't had that one yet, but last week I had an application with a "personality" test that asked whether I tend to vote for left-leaning candidates or right-leaning candidates. This company was in the healthcare space. GitHub asking for approval for AI to review my resume was a bit of a beat too. I did not give permission, and it definitely left me feeling at a di…

I don't know where I found it, but I saw a job ad for a dev role that asked for an MBTI test first (it's about personality types thing like INFJ INFP etc). Asking for this in a job for coding was... something else. And I thought leetcode was all I had to study

At that point they may as well ask for your horoscope chart and a scan of your palm.

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Post by mrexroad »

lazide wrote: post #247
okr wrote: post #196

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I am pretty tolerant when it comes to not knowing things or time for learning new skills. With this fast changing industry i can not help it but tolerating. But when i catch someone lying at least twice about something technical, i do my part to make sure the person is not hired or next to leave. There is no trust.

An engineer who can’t admit they don’t know something when it matters is actively harmful to the work of engineering.

This. I am genuinely excited when I am faced with a problem set where I don’t know something (e.g. need to research, explore, gain a skill, or otherwise educate myself) — seriously, it’s the best. The only thing better is learning (or being told) that I was wrong about something and then re-evaluating my belief/understanding stack in order to find and correct the error. I have such little patience for folks fronting or faking knowledge/expertise - it’s such a fucking waste of time for everyone else.

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Post by beacon294 »

Silhouette wrote: post #216
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #195

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As someone who has sometimes hired people from FAANG into startups I've worked in, I'd say it's 50/50 if the person will actually be a net positive to the organization. A lot of times the people coming from FAANG seem to be under the impression that what their previous company was doing is 100% the best, in all cases, and they try to cargo-cult their previous culture into the new company. Sometimes they're able to ad…

The culture around FAANGs has always been a bit strange. People associate making a lot of money with being good at building tech at both a personal and a company level and unfortunately that isn't necessarily valid in either case. New hires who have been living inside the Big Tech bubble for a while can come with issues that others here have already described. Consequently startups should probably downlevel many peop…

It would be absurd to downlevel these folks. Probably the mismatch is an investment and both org and employee will need adjustments that are mutually beneficial.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

fs0c13ty00 wrote: post #207
BadCookie wrote: post #205

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I agree. My employer disproportionately lays off US citizens and preferentially hires in Latin America. I spent part of today looking at my employer’s main competitors. One has a bunch of programming jobs available in Mexico. Another is hiring primarily in India. It isn’t ChatGPT that will take US engineering jobs. It is cheaper devs in other countries. And plenty of them have reasonable English and programming skill…

As a Vietnamese developer currently interested in remote opportunities, I am a little concerned. I hope people like us won't face any discrimination at work due to being thought of as "stealing an American's job".

My company employs some VN engineers and they’re great. I’m glad your country is building up such an industry instead of relying on only agriculture and tourism for example.

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Post by entropi »

neilv wrote: post #139
oortoo wrote: post #115

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Obviously, learning all popular tech stacks is not entirely realistic, but IMO when a SE or any engineer is looking for work, at least 1-2 months of researching and getting proficient with the full breadth of what's out there for your interest is going to pay off. Unless you are moving jobs to just do the exact same thing somewhere else (who wants that) you kind of have to take it on yourself to show up the the inter…

> You may even need to exaggerate your experience. [...] meaning you need to just get really good at faking it and not be afraid to back it up later after some late-night study sessions. Please don't do this, and don't normalize other people doing it. Dishonesty isn't something I want to have to be understanding about in colleagues. Like, maybe they just see it as a little while lie, and some job-hunting Web pages to…

While I agree with you on the principle, I would not blame anyone who lies in such a BS market to be honest.

If for a person, the choice is between not being able to pay rent because they had 6 years of experience in a given stack instead of 8, vs. exaggerating in their cv, I dont think it is reasonable to expect complete honesty.

Also we all know most of the companies are often very dishonest, so why should we expect complete honesty from the workers?

Re: Finding a new software developer job

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Post by beacon294 »

jurynulifcation wrote: post #231
justech wrote: post #148

Started looking late November and started tracking my applications in January. I have applied to a total of 46 positions within a month. This has led to six interviews, several of which I received no response, 13 formal rejections, and one job offer which I declined (The decline was due to the position being advertised as a developer role, yet the recruiter mentioned that about 50% of the duties would involve support…

Junior engineer. Hundreds of applications across 3 months. Nothing but silence and automated rejections. It's got me feeling so down that I'm just going to leave the private sector for military. Get some training, have some job security, benefits, and hopefully wait out the horrible market.

Are you only looking regionally or across your whole country? (Presumably the US)

Re: Finding a new software developer job

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Post by TrackerFF »

neilv wrote: post #74

> Key Elements for Job Search Microsite > * Have a professional profile picture I don't do this, for two reasons: 1. Being a photographer taught me that I'm much better on the buttons side of the camera, not the lens side. 2. Photos really don't belong in hiring in the US. Due to the long history of unfair prejudices, which are still ongoing in some ways. Even better would be if we could remove names, for being cues…

At this point, having a realistic picture is more about weeding out the fake AI/ML generated users. It's crazy how many fake profiles and applicants there are out there, but luckily most use the same type of professional headshots made by some generative model.

Re: Finding a new software developer job

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Post by Silhouette »

beacon294 wrote: post #255
Silhouette wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The culture around FAANGs has always been a bit strange. People associate making a lot of money with being good at building tech at both a personal and a company level and unfortunately that isn't necessarily valid in either case. New hires who have been living inside the Big Tech bubble for a while can come with issues that others here have already described. Consequently startups should probably downlevel many peop…

It would be absurd to downlevel these folks. Probably the mismatch is an investment and both org and employee will need adjustments that are mutually beneficial.

It would be absurd to downlevel these folks.

In which direction? Both make sense to me. A good employee might adapt to their new environment quickly and in that case obviously they should then be levelled up appropriately. But there is nothing about being Staff/Principal at a BigCo that says you're going to be anything special as a senior in a startup - in fact the opposite can be the case for reasons others have mentioned - and there is nothing about being an excellent contributor at a startup that says you're going to navigate the scale and the politics of a BigCo effectively. It seems reasonable to start a new hire at a level where you would expect they do have the required skills (including soft skills) and then look to make more effective use of them if and when they've settled into the new environment.

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