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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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> Which is odd, because Russia already has borders with Nato countries, and controlling Ukraine actually brings them closer to where Nato already has a strong foothold. A couple of minutes with a globe would answer many of those questions. Not the propaganda ones, of course.

No I just mean it’s a bit of an implausible explanation and requires Russian citizens to adopt doublethink. Not that they’re not used to it, just harder in the internet age.

Did you took a good look at the globe? Especially centered on the Russian capital and tilted 30 CW.

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Do you think the American government can't already find Russian ships? America gets their ass beat consistently in unwinnable wars against guerilla armies, but in terms of identifying giant warships I think they're pretty capable.

Guerilla tactics just raise the cost of steamrolling an opponent to an unpalatable level, hiding among civilians, civilian infrastructure, etc. American loses these matchups not because they can't blockade a country, raze their farmlands and wait a few seasons while they all starve, but because fully eliminating and "winning" would be the worst possible choice.

I'd still argue that the problem is not defining "winning" beforehand. That could mean any number of thing, but without defining that first we can't weigh the likelihood of success or cost of tactics that will be required.

I agree I'm not sure when a goal of eliminating the enemy completely is one that I could support, though interestingly enough that is precisely what Israel's claimed goal currently is with regards to Hamas. I believe its also the stated goal of Russia, though I'm not familiar with what faction of neo-nazis they claim to be targeting or whether they even exist in any meaningful numbers in Ukraine.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Not to contradict you, but he did also say a few quite annoyingly incorrect things, like claiming it was the fault of Poland that they were invaded by Hitler. Also the point where Tucker reached the conclusion that "only an idiot would believe that Russia is an expansionist power" sounds a lot like slurping sounds around Putin's private parts to me(Russia has invaded at least 3 neighbouring countries in the last deca…

Tucker said nothing of the sort, nor did Putin claim it was Poland's fault they were invaded. Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. [1] It was an area primarily populated with German peoples but 'granted' to Poland after WW1. Germany wanted it back, Poland refused, and eventually Germany ended up invading to get it back. This doesn't mean Germany's actions were right, nor…

> Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig.

That was an excuse, not motivation. Hitler was motivated by theories of racial superiority, which he immediately began carrying out in Poland after invading the country and dividing it with the USSR, which had attacked Poland from the east in a supporting action (they even held a joint victory parade). Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews and most Poles living in Poland and turn the few remaining Poles into a slave race serving German settlers, who were given Polish farms and businesses. Hitler managed to murder roughly 3 million Polish Jews and 3 million Poles before finding a sorry end in a petrol-filled ditch somewhere in Berlin. Systemic extermination of people living in Poland had been planned for years in advance and started right on the first days of the invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion

Russian theories of superiority, exceptionalism and Russki mir are eerily similar to the German ideas of superiority and Lebensraum in both theory and practice:

  Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the anti-Polish extermination actions by Nazi Germany. The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription list (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen) targeting Poland’s elite, compiled by the Gestapo in the two years before the invasion of Poland. The secret lists identified more than 61,000 members of the Polish elite: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, clergy, actors, former officers and others, who were to be interned or shot. Members of the German minority living in Poland assisted in preparing the lists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg

USSR did the same in the parts of Poland they invaded:

  The Katyn massacre was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia prisoners of war carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD ("People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs", the Soviet secret police) in April and May 1940. /---/ The order to execute captive members of the Polish officer corps was secretly issued by the Soviet Politburo led by Joseph Stalin. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers imprisoned during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the remaining 8,000 were Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents and gendarmes, spies and saboteurs, former landowners, factory owners and officials".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

And the same thing is going on in occupied parts of Ukraine right now:

  In a deliberate, widespread campaign, Russian forces systematically targeted influential Ukrainians, nationally and locally, to neutralize resistance through detention, torture and executions, an Associated Press investigation has found. The strategy appears to violate the laws of war and could help build a case for genocide. Russian troops hunted Ukrainians by name, using lists prepared with the help of their intelligence services. In the crosshairs were government officials, journalists, activists, veterans, religious leaders and lawyers. /---/ The pattern was similar across the country, according to testimonies AP collected from occupied and formerly occupied territories around Kyiv, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Chernihiv and Donetsk regions.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russians-hunt-dow...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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No I just mean it’s a bit of an implausible explanation and requires Russian citizens to adopt doublethink. Not that they’re not used to it, just harder in the internet age.

Did you took a good look at the globe? Especially centered on the Russian capital and tilted 30 CW.

I don’t understand what point you think you’re making.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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I'm going to call on Cunningham's law here... (I'm not sure if I am right or wrong but I think I'm right and hopefully someone can correct me) I don't think starlink needs GPS as much as the starlink service is a form of GPS. The base station sees several satellites and the satellites know where they are and so the base station can triangulate where you are, and the whole system requires this precision location mecha…

Ehm. You need a precise clock for any form of GNSS[0] to function. AFAIR StarLink satellites doesn't have precise clock on the board. And anyway, modern GNSS chips are.. $1? Cheaper? No way you wouldn't use GNSS already deployed and working (and you are not paying for it) in a commercial product. [0] GPS is GNSS, it's just in America GPS became the synonym for GNSS

> You need a precise clock for any form of GNSS[0] to function

How precise? I assume that inaccuracy in the clock produces imprecision in location - how much time inaccuracy produces how much location inaccuracy?

> And anyway, modern GNSS chips are.. $1? Cheaper? No way you wouldn't use GNSS already deployed and working (and you are not paying for it) in a commercial product.

Rather than using the Starlink satellites as an alternative to GPS - get a location fix using both Starlink and GPS, and compare them. Even given the former is going to be significantly less accurate - suppose GPS is accurate to within 5 metres and Starlink is accurate to within 5000 metres - well, if the two differ by 50,000 metres, you know something is going wrong, and the terminal might decide to disable itself in such a situation.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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These kind of conversations are exhausting. I for one don’t know all the details, which I think there are many. I realize it is easy to make a blanket accusation and harder to provide details. Last time I looked this up it was pretty murky. Specifically on your point I believe there was a couple things at play but maybe I am wrong. 1) did not have approval by the state department 2) blanket rule that they could be us…

> I don’t know what the right answer here is but it would be nice to explore the topic more than “Musk is bad”. I mean, Musk has been on the vanguard of the "Ukraine's resistance is futile" push. You can call speculation on this line specious, unthinking "Musk is bad" rhetoric, but at some point negative criticism of a person is relevant. It takes zero imagination to conceive of Musk turning a blind eye to Russia's u…

Actually it does take some imagination. As does thinking that somehow starlink does not have to answer to the state department.

My point being that no matter what narrative we want to use for Musk, ultimately there is some accountability to the state department for tools used in war.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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It was not like an interview with a typical politician, which is perhaps not a surprise, but interesting nonetheless. He was happy to acknowledge when he didn't know things, gave numerous interesting insights in conversations he has had with other world leaders - while actively avoiding betraying their trust of confidence. He also displayed a rather encyclopedic knowledge of history which I found fascinating as a his…

It doesn't sound like an interview at all, at least not a hard hitting interview with tough questions. More like a promotional tour for a new book or something.

I think it highlights differences in American and Russian communication style very well. Even with the softball questions, Carlson kept trying to steer the conversation towards a series of questions and answers and seemed a bit annoyed by the long-winded stories. Putin kept saying he'll answer the question but finish his explanation first.

To an American this kind of communication seems like evasion and filibustering. To a Russian not getting into the details feels shallow and rash.

Personally, I've struggled mightily with writing in American business style. You know, executive summary front and center, any details relegated to an appendix. A much more natural style for me is storytelling - linear, chronological, with details inline.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Yeah I was able to find a transcript of his interview with Putin [1] but oddly it does not seem to exist in YouTube in video format unfortunately. It's been years since I've watched him, but skimming through that transcript I can still hear his voice! And yeah, I do think the two interviews are extremely similar in content. He asks significant and poignant questions, without fishing for trap stuff. So e.g. he asks mo…

> Whenever I hear "hard hitting" in modern times, I just think of a journalist digging up some random dirt to try to shock the interviewee with, using argumentative fallacies like strawmen, and just generally doing whatever they can to agitate the interviewee and get some sensational headline or emotional response. And there was none of that. > And there was none of that. Yeap, no questions on Bucha and who did such…

On the other hand, we've already heard all these stories and they are clearly very sticky. Getting a different angle was at least new.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't. In the first version there's only two actors in the world, who can make decisions: Russia and NATO (or rather USA, for they argue NATO is basically the USA with another name). In the second version countries are free to decide who they associate with. There wasn't some empty space that NATO move…

Just to clarify: the "we" who would like to join is a government that was installed by the USA in a coup. What kind of "attacking and oppressing" happened before the coup?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #137

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Because NATO did not expand. Countries decided to join NATO. You may think this is the same with other words, but it isn't. In the first version there's only two actors in the world, who can make decisions: Russia and NATO (or rather USA, for they argue NATO is basically the USA with another name). In the second version countries are free to decide who they associate with. There wasn't some empty space that NATO move…

Just to clarify: the "we" who would like to join is a government that was installed by the USA in a coup. What kind of "attacking and oppressing" happened before the coup?

So Finland and Sweden have governments "installed by USA in a coup"?
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